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UK PM Johnson says: don't expect Brexit breakthrough in New York

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18 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Johnson said that while a “great deal” of progress had been made since he took office in July

 

18 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

An EU official last week said talks were going nowhere.

 

“We don’t even know how to read what they are doing

as always BJ lying and misleading comments, contradiction after contradiction

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2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Why does the EU need to solve the brexiteers problems?

You guys voted for it so you guys own it.

Johnson has no plan. All this talk of keeping proposals secret is just stringing you brexiteers along.

You are being played.

Your view is overly simplistic, and dare I say a bit childish. It is not just Brexiteers who will have a problem if this is not resolved. The EU will suffer as well, (as my link showed) so it is in their interests to help find a resolution. 

 

You could argue Brexit caused the issue (I however would argue that Brexit is a symptom of problems created by the EU) but that doesn't mean it's "brexiteers problems". A more mature approach would be to work together to find a solution, not just throw a tantrum and say "your problem, you fix it". The EU's tactic of demanding proposal after proposal from the UK which is then deliberately leaked to the press and publicly dismissed is neither clever nor helpful.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

The EU's tactic of demanding proposal after proposal from the UK which is then deliberately leaked to the press and publicly dismissed is neither clever nor helpful.

 

Why would it need to be leaked? Why not give it to the press? Shurely parliament has the right to have sight of it too.....oh, I forgot, they're prorogued for 5 weeks.

 

 

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1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Your view is overly simplistic, and dare I say a bit childish. It is not just Brexiteers who will have a problem if this is not resolved. The EU will suffer as well, (as my link showed) so it is in their interests to help find a resolution. 

 

You could argue Brexit caused the issue (I however would argue that Brexit is a symptom of problems created by the EU) but that doesn't mean it's "brexiteers problems". A more mature approach would be to work together to find a solution, not just throw a tantrum and say "your problem, you fix it". The EU's tactic of demanding proposal after proposal from the UK which is then deliberately leaked to the press and publicly dismissed is neither clever nor helpful.

So, you British, coem with a mature solution. From the moment Cameron came with the idea for a referendum ( 23 of Jan 2013) , you had time to come with YOUR wishes how to organise a Brexit. The only the EU knows till now is... no, no, no, no, no.

https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7960

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1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

Why would it need to be leaked? Why not give it to the press? Shurely parliament has the right to have sight of it too.....oh, I forgot, they're prorogued for 5 weeks.

proposal after proposal ? ?  When ? YEARS of negociations, with result.. nothing. Or did you think, May was the only one, who did these talks ? Several options discussed in the HoC, with result: again nothing.

And for the present situation: Lord Protector Boris the Liar sent the Parliament home... and when illigal the has already the next ready. British democracy.

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12 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

When somebody leaves his/her club, it's NEVER the LEAVER, who dictates the terms of leaving.

The EU is not a club, it is anything but. A proper club members normally pay equal subscriptions and all members pay, that is not the case with the EU. Some members pay over inflated subscriptions while others pay nothing and in some cases indeed get money just for being a member.

So can we put this idea to bed that the EU is a club, it is not, and never has been.

 

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1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

Why would it need to be leaked? Why not give it to the press? Shurely parliament has the right to have sight of it too.....oh, I forgot, they're prorogued for 5 weeks.

 

 

Parliament can vote on the deal after the government has agreed it. They don't need a running commentary, and neither do the press.

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4 hours ago, sandyf said:

It is the same with the EU summit, the EU want the proposals beforehand so they can be considered by all concerned and an answer given at the summit.

Just like in every business meeting, the members of the meeting want to have all proposals before to discuss in their own circles and coem with a response.

Boris and the Brexiteers think, they still can dictate as the British Empire in the 19th century. Sorry, that time is long over.

So, British: face it: 1 Nov: import duty - as WTO rules for "third countries" see https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/taric_consultation.jsp?Lang=en - on all imports from the UK into the EU, and a Schengen visa for all visitors, like all others from "third countries". Do the British customs already have anything ready, as I cannot get ANYTHING about regulations per 1 Nov for any goods to be imported into the UK. Many changed their conditions for products bound for the UK already to "ex works". So any delay is for the British customer.

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9 minutes ago, vogie said:

The EU is not a club, it is anything but. A proper club members normally pay equal subscriptions and all members pay, that is not the case with the EU. Some members pay over inflated subscriptions while others pay nothing and in some cases indeed get money just for being a member.

So can we put this idea to bed that the EU is a club, it is not, and never has been.

Also the membership of the UN the contribution is based on the economic power of a member state.

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6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Parliament can vote on the deal after the government has agreed it. They don't need a running commentary, and neither do the press.

What harm would it do?

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15 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

So, you British, coem with a mature solution. From the moment Cameron came with the idea for a referendum ( 23 of Jan 2013) , you had time to come with YOUR wishes how to organise a Brexit. The only the EU knows till now is... no, no, no, no, no.

https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7960

british voting.jpg

With the greatest respect, that is nonsense. Had the EU offered us a sensible deal with benefits to both sides it would be done and dusted by now.

 

Unfortunately we have a Remain Parliament colluding with the EU to keep us in. The EU offers terrible terms essentially making the UK a vassal state, Parliament rejects them, also rejects No Deal and then rejects an election to break the deadlock. The EU and Parliament have colluded to create a deadlock as it's the best way to keep us from leaving. 

 

Unfortunately for them, all this has done is strengthen Leaver's resolve. 

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The only solution shall be HM The Queen, remove such disgraced PM and appoint an interim government in order to have a smooth deal with EU, after return to election.

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2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

What harm would it do?

It would undermine the entire process. Each side would release a different version of the negotiations to suit their own agenda. Parliament would use the additional time/information to find ways to legally challenge/legislate against whatever was being discussed. It would become even more farcical than it is now.

 

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