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2 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

What message? That this current temperature rise is typical of many in the past million years? That sea levels have been rising for thousands of years? What is this message you think should be funneled through the UN, rather than have everyone with all their viewpoints be heard and debated?

 

And specifically, what is a "denier"?

No the temperature rise is not typical. Because it's rising at an accelerated rate. The same goes for sea levels. Yes, the climate is always changing. But it's the rate of change that's at issue.

But maybe you think rate is irrelevant. You could be one of those people who don't care what rate of interest your money earns, just as long as it's increasing.

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You go girl hold their feet to the fire make them face what’s happening so all of us can start making responsible changes and grow into a more sustainable world I’m proud of you kiddo!

And first of all make her shut up. 

Small point that needs clarifying. It was Greta's parents that filled her head with confusion, hate and panic, ergo they "stole her dreams". Textbook child abuse really. When she gets bored of this cl

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2 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

No the temperature rise is not typical. Because it's rising at an accelerated rate. The same goes for sea levels. Yes, the climate is always changing. But it's the rate of change that's at issue.

But maybe you think rate is irrelevant. You could be one of those people who don't care what rate of interest your money earns, just as long as it's increasing.

It's not accelerating. Please keep to the facts or at least learn the difference between increasing and accelerated rate.

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It's not accelerating. Please keep to the facts or at least learn the difference between increased rate and accelerated rate.

I don't know what sillly semantic game you think you are playing, but the rate is increasing. And even if, on the off chance, my terminology is wrong, any reasonably intelligent person would understand the intended meaning. 

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1 minute ago, Forethat said:

It is NOT accelerating. Do you have difficulties admitting to be wrong, or what.

 

The temperature rise is NOT accelerating. Plain and simple. This is not something that's up for debate; I'm right and you are wrong. Live with it. 

Do you think asserting something is sufficient? You seem unacquainted with the concept of evidence. Let me introduce you a couple of examples:

 

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More than two dozen reconstructions, using various statistical methods and combinations of proxy records, support the broad consensus shown in the original 1998 hockey-stick graph, with variations in how flat the pre-20th century "shaft" appears.[12][13] The 2007 IPCC Fourth Assessment Report cited 14 reconstructions, 10 of which covered 1,000 years or longer, to support its strengthened conclusion that it was likely that Northern Hemisphere temperatures during the 20th century were the highest in at least the past 1,300 years.[14] Further reconstructions, including Mann et al. 2008 and PAGES 2k Consortium 2013, have supported these general conclusions.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_graph

 

Though warming has not been uniform across the planet, the upward trend in the globally averaged temperature shows that more areas are warming than cooling. According to the NOAA 2018 Global Climate Summary, the combined land and ocean temperature has increased at an average rate of 0.07°C (0.13°F) per decade since 1880; however, the average rate of increase since 1981 (0.17°C / 0.31°F) is more than twice as great.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature

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13 minutes ago, Forethat said:

No, you don't recognise the difference between increase and accelerate. Let's leave it there.

Not that this semantic question is significant, but once again you are wrong. Dead wrong.

"at an increasing rate" means that the rate itself is increasing; hence a statement about the behaviour of the rate at the point of observation. It is therefore more a description of the rate in terms of continuous behaviour.

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/264636/whats-the-difference-between-increased-and-increasing

 

acceleration 
an increase in the rate at which something happens, changes, or grows

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/thesaurus-category/british/rates-of-increase-and-the-process-of-increasing

 

You might have scored a picayune point had I written "increased rate". But I didn't so you don't.

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43 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

No the temperature rise is not typical. Because it's rising at an accelerated rate. The same goes for sea levels. Yes, the climate is always changing. But it's the rate of change that's at issue.

But maybe you think rate is irrelevant. You could be one of those people who don't care what rate of interest your money earns, just as long as it's increasing.

Great! So let's refer to the NASA global temperature graph and you tell me what I'm supposed to be worried about:

 

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I'm not sure what my personal finances have to do with it.

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33 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Do you think asserting something is sufficient? You seem unacquainted with the concept of evidence. Let me introduce you a couple of examples:

 

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More than two dozen reconstructions, using various statistical methods and combinations of proxy records, support the broad consensus shown in the original 1998 hockey-stick graph, with variations in how flat the pre-20th century "shaft" appears.[12][13] The 2007 IPCC Fourth Assessment Report cited 14 reconstructions, 10 of which covered 1,000 years or longer, to support its strengthened conclusion that it was likely that Northern Hemisphere temperatures during the 20th century were the highest in at least the past 1,300 years.[14] Further reconstructions, including Mann et al. 2008 and PAGES 2k Consortium 2013, have supported these general conclusions.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_graph

 

Though warming has not been uniform across the planet, the upward trend in the globally averaged temperature shows that more areas are warming than cooling. According to the NOAA 2018 Global Climate Summary, the combined land and ocean temperature has increased at an average rate of 0.07°C (0.13°F) per decade since 1880; however, the average rate of increase since 1981 (0.17°C / 0.31°F) is more than twice as great.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature

 

The hockey stick graph scam edited out the Medieval warming period for visual effect:

 

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36 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Great! So let's refer to the NASA global temperature graph and you tell me what I'm supposed to be worried about:

 

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I'm not sure what my personal finances have to do with it.

I don't know where you got that image from, but it clearly wasn't from a page on the Nasa website. It's a Nasa image. Had you done so you would have read: 

"When global warming has happened at various times in the past two million years, it has taken the planet about 5,000 years to warm 5 degrees. The predicted rate of warming for the next century is at least 20 times faster. This rate of change is extremely unusual.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GlobalWarming/page3.php

The apparent similarities have to do with the granularity of the image. It's too small to show how much faster the current and accelerating rise in temperatures is. Over the last century the global average temperature has risen about 1 degree Celsius. You do the math.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

I don't know where you got that image from, but it clearly wasn't from a page on the Nasa website. It's a Nasa image. Had you done so you would have read: 

"When global warming has happened at various times in the past two million years, it has taken the planet about 5,000 years to warm 5 degrees. The predicted rate of warming for the next century is at least 20 times faster. This rate of change is extremely unusual.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GlobalWarming/page3.php

The apparent similarities have to do with the granularity of the image. It's too small to show how much faster the current and accelerating rise in temperatures is. Over the last century the global average temperature has risen about 1 degree Celsius. You do the math.

 

 

OK, so we both agree it is a NASA image. Great.

 

Now we move on to the prediction, which if it happens, will be "extremely unusual". That doesn't sound very scientific at all to me. And honestly, given how many dire predictions made turned out to be false, why on Earth would any rational person worry about something that may or may not happen, and even if it does, is "extremely unusual"?

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59 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

OK, so we both agree it is a NASA image. Great.

 

Now we move on to the prediction, which if it happens, will be "extremely unusual". That doesn't sound very scientific at all to me. And honestly, given how many dire predictions made turned out to be false, why on Earth would any rational person worry about something that may or may not happen, and even if it does, is "extremely unusual"?

Because it's already happening.

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