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On 10/14/2019 at 7:42 PM, JamesBlond said:

Forget about climate change if it's too subtle for you. Concentrate on the attrition of the natural environment - habitat loss, species loss - and throw in quality of life loss, because nature is the touchstone of all meaning.

The on-going catastrophe of that is self-evident, and it's man-made.

Is that not enough for you to justify more prudent and less self-indulgent political/economic policies, which is all that is being asked?

It is indeed, except the emphasis is, IMO, on all the wrong things, like electric cars with polluting batteries- should be hydrogen technology, that will make car companies incredibly rich when everyone is forced to give up their fossil fuelled cars and buy new ones, and bird killing windmills when it should be on developing efficient nuclear or fusion power stations.

Far as tackling pollution- sod all except banning plastic bags in supermarkets, except for all the plastic bags they supply to put loose vegetable in, and all the plastic used to wrap everything.

I do try, but there is no getting around all the plastic waste I have after every supermarket visit.

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18 hours ago, RideJocky said:

So aside from bickering and finger-pointing, what is everyone doing to reduce their carbon footprint?




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Well, the climate activists are doing an awful lot of air miles to contribute vast amounts of CO2 to the upper atmosphere, and apparently not a lot else.

Meanwhile millions of fossil fuelled cars are being bought and put on the roads, China builds more coal powered power stations, and cargo ship are burning fossil fuel bringing all those plastic goods to the consumers in the west- you know, plastic, it's made from oil.

Not a lot going on to prevent destruction of old growth forests in Sth America, Africa and Indonesia, which must be releasing millions of tonnes of carbon.

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1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Well, the climate activists are doing an awful lot of air miles to contribute vast amounts of CO2 to the upper atmosphere, and apparently not a lot else.

Meanwhile millions of fossil fuelled cars are being bought and put on the roads, China builds more coal powered power stations, and cargo ship are burning fossil fuel bringing all those plastic goods to the consumers in the west- you know, plastic, it's made from oil.

Not a lot going on to prevent destruction of old growth forests in Sth America, Africa and Indonesia, which must be releasing millions of tonnes of carbon.

In even broader terms, the world has plenty of difficult problems that need addressing, yet everything stops while world "leaders" hang on every word from Greta Thunberg, who knows nothing about the climate, or economics, beyond that which she has been taught to repeat.

 

It's a sign of the idiotic times we live in that real problems such as malaria, TB, malnutrition, atmospheric pollution and so on, risk becoming sidelined, purely on the whim of an ignoramus.

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52 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

In even broader terms, the world has plenty of difficult problems that need addressing, yet everything stops while world "leaders" hang on every word from Greta Thunberg, who knows nothing about the climate, or economics, beyond that which she has been taught to repeat.

 

It's a sign of the idiotic times we live in that real problems such as malaria, TB, malnutrition, atmospheric pollution and so on, risk becoming sidelined, purely on the whim of an ignoramus.

Because nobody is working on these other problems or because you needed to pad out your ad hominem use of ‘ignoramus’.

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8 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

Believing what you are told is not the same as understanding the issue. When someone disagrees with an opinion it at least shows some thought and consideration is involved. Anyone can parrot popular talking points.

Somebody stating they disagree with an opinion is not evidence that they employed any thought on the matter.

 

They might simply believe stating they disagree gives an impression of being smart or perhaps they wish to signal their affiliation with others who they know disagree on the matter.

 

To indicate thought on the matter, considered counter opinions are needed, preferably offered in the absence of ad hominem attacks on the person holding the views that are being contested.

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2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Well, the climate activists are doing an awful lot of air miles to contribute vast amounts of CO2 to the upper atmosphere, and apparently not a lot else.

Meanwhile millions of fossil fuelled cars are being bought and put on the roads, China builds more coal powered power stations, and cargo ship are burning fossil fuel bringing all those plastic goods to the consumers in the west- you know, plastic, it's made from oil.

Not a lot going on to prevent destruction of old growth forests in Sth America, Africa and Indonesia, which must be releasing millions of tonnes of carbon.

So you have been paying attention.

 

Now who has the power to fix these things, Climate Activists or Governments?

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1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Greta doesn’t have to understand all the science.

 

She has captured public attention and his using her voice to call for action on a whole range of climate and environmental issues.

 

I agree entirely.

 

She is being used as a human shield for activist agendas which are far more extreme than current climate science would support. 

 

As to who is listening to Greta, or not, we'll just have to wait and see what governmental action results from this media blitz.

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5 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

A global network of more than 500 knowledgeable and experienced scientists and professionals in climate and related fields have the honor to address to Your Excellencies the attached European Climate Declaration, for which the signatories to this letter are the national ambassadors. The general-circulation models of climate on which international policy is at present founded are unfit for their purpose.  Link

 

Here are their main points

  • There is no climate emergency
  • Climate science should be less political
  • Natural as well as anthropogenic factors cause warming
  • Warming is far slower than predicted
  • Climate policy relies on inadequate models
  • CO2 is plant food, the basis of all life on Earth
  • Global warming has not increased natural disasters
  • Climate policy must respect scientific and economic realities

Link to where you got this?

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3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Link to where you got this?

A clue is the word link in blue

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