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8 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

Believing what you are told is not the same as understanding the issue. When someone disagrees with an opinion it at least shows some thought and consideration is involved. Anyone can parrot popular talking points.

Somebody stating they disagree with an opinion is not evidence that they employed any thought on the matter.

 

They might simply believe stating they disagree gives an impression of being smart or perhaps they wish to signal their affiliation with others who they know disagree on the matter.

 

To indicate thought on the matter, considered counter opinions are needed, preferably offered in the absence of ad hominem attacks on the person holding the views that are being contested.

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2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Well, the climate activists are doing an awful lot of air miles to contribute vast amounts of CO2 to the upper atmosphere, and apparently not a lot else.

Meanwhile millions of fossil fuelled cars are being bought and put on the roads, China builds more coal powered power stations, and cargo ship are burning fossil fuel bringing all those plastic goods to the consumers in the west- you know, plastic, it's made from oil.

Not a lot going on to prevent destruction of old growth forests in Sth America, Africa and Indonesia, which must be releasing millions of tonnes of carbon.

So you have been paying attention.

 

Now who has the power to fix these things, Climate Activists or Governments?

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1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Greta doesn’t have to understand all the science.

 

She has captured public attention and his using her voice to call for action on a whole range of climate and environmental issues.

 

I agree entirely.

 

She is being used as a human shield for activist agendas which are far more extreme than current climate science would support. 

 

As to who is listening to Greta, or not, we'll just have to wait and see what governmental action results from this media blitz.

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5 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

A global network of more than 500 knowledgeable and experienced scientists and professionals in climate and related fields have the honor to address to Your Excellencies the attached European Climate Declaration, for which the signatories to this letter are the national ambassadors. The general-circulation models of climate on which international policy is at present founded are unfit for their purpose.  Link

 

Here are their main points

  • There is no climate emergency
  • Climate science should be less political
  • Natural as well as anthropogenic factors cause warming
  • Warming is far slower than predicted
  • Climate policy relies on inadequate models
  • CO2 is plant food, the basis of all life on Earth
  • Global warming has not increased natural disasters
  • Climate policy must respect scientific and economic realities

Link to where you got this?

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3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Link to where you got this?

A clue is the word link in blue

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3 hours ago, RickBradford said:

In even broader terms, the world has plenty of difficult problems that need addressing, yet everything stops while world "leaders" hang on every word from Greta Thunberg, who knows nothing about the climate, or economics, beyond that which she has been taught to repeat.

 

It's a sign of the idiotic times we live in that real problems such as malaria, TB, malnutrition, atmospheric pollution and so on, risk becoming sidelined, purely on the whim of an ignoramus.

I, cynic that I am, am looking to see what is going on elsewhere while the media are distracted.

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3 hours ago, JimmyJ said:

Numerous posters here have no trouble disagreeing with the massive scientific concensus plus the daily proofs of the climate emergency,

Daily proofs of a climate emergency?

I keep looking but I see no proofs. The sea isn't rising, it's very cold, and the days pass without any "out of the normal" weather happening.

I can only surmise that "climate change" is restricted to a different part of the planet from where I am.

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2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So you have been paying attention.

 

Now who has the power to fix these things, Climate Activists or Governments?

I'm not asking them to fix anything, but if they are going to complain, it behoves them to have some solutions that are affordable, acceptable and doable. Anyone can go around shouting but shouting isn't solving the problem they claim to be shouting about.

If they don't have any solutions, perhaps they don't actually know what the problem is, but are just getting off on being part of the "movement". That's what children do, they get into one craze after another. I'm not too old to remember that from my childhood.

 

Actually I'm still waiting for any affordable, acceptable and doable solutions from the grown ups on this forum, but nada, so far.

I've also been asking for quite a while as to what the climate change crisis believers are doing as their part of combatting the end of all of us. Things like not flying domestic, not using the car, not using fossil fuelled electricity, not having more children, but answers, I have had none.

If I was cynical, I might think that it was all "do as I say", and not "follow my example".

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1 hour ago, Orton Rd said:

Doom mongering seems as cyclical as the weather, only 40 years ago we were being warned about a new ice age, all the science 'proved it'

 

 

A Century ago 'the great and the good' of the day (inc Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and HG Wells) were equally taken in by young girls...

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