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6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I've also been asking for quite a while as to what the climate change crisis believers are doing as their part of combatting the end of all of us. Things like not flying domestic, not using the car, not using fossil fuelled electricity, not having more children, but answers, I have had none.

 

I think enough solutions have been proffered.

First, change the mindset of populations of developed nations towards promoting sustainable policies. This is what is currently happening with the Greta furore.

Once enough of 'the people' are behind it, the politicians must deliver those sustainable policies in their own countries, and force developing nations into line by economic measures. New forms of accounting are currently being developed.

Once the momentum - the political will - is in place, the ultimate solution is to cap energy production to keep a lid on growth, install sensible measures to manage demographics, and establish legal rights to exist for Nature (to be policed by an international body).

 

The key principles are avoiding excess and maintaining balance. It's entirely rational and prudent. The only struggle is against people who aren't.

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You go girl hold their feet to the fire make them face what’s happening so all of us can start making responsible changes and grow into a more sustainable world I’m proud of you kiddo!

And first of all make her shut up. 

Small point that needs clarifying. It was Greta's parents that filled her head with confusion, hate and panic, ergo they "stole her dreams". Textbook child abuse really. When she gets bored of this cl

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4 minutes ago, JamesBlond said:

I think enough solutions have been proffered.

First, change the mindset of populations of developed nations towards promoting sustainable policies. This is what is currently happening with the Greta furore.

Once enough of 'the people' are behind it, the politicians must deliver those sustainable policies in their own countries, and force developing nations into line by economic measures. New forms of accounting are currently being developed.

Once the momentum - the political will - is in place, the ultimate solution is to cap energy production to keep a lid on growth, install sensible measures to manage demographics, and establish legal rights to exist for Nature (to be policed by an international body).

 

The key principles are avoiding excess and maintaining balance. It's entirely rational and prudent. The only struggle is against people who aren't.

So mind control and then state controls on production.

I have seen this before somewhere. 🤔

 

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5 minutes ago, JamesBlond said:

I think enough solutions have been proffered.

First, change the mindset of populations of developed nations towards promoting sustainable policies. This is what is currently happening with the Greta furore.

Once enough of 'the people' are behind it, the politicians must deliver those sustainable policies in their own countries, and force developing nations into line by economic measures. New forms of accounting are currently being developed.

Once the momentum - the political will - is in place, the ultimate solution is to cap energy production to keep a lid on growth, install sensible measures to manage demographics, and establish legal rights to exist for Nature (to be policed by an international body).

 

The key principles are avoiding excess and maintaining balance. It's entirely rational and prudent. The only struggle is against people who aren't.

Most people are not going to give up perfectly good fossil fuelled cars to pay through the nose for battery powered cars that need new batteries every 8 years or so, they are not going to stop eating meat, they are not going to stop flying on holidays etc etc etc.

If governments force them to give up the good life, expect different governments at the next election.

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1 minute ago, canuckamuck said:

So mind control and then state controls on production.

I have seen this before somewhere. 🤔

 

Yes, it's called civilisation. Rational control is what civilisation is. What gave you the idea that life should be a free-for-all for every person on earth?

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9 minutes ago, JamesBlond said:

The only struggle is against people who aren't.

Out of the current 7 billion people on the planet, that would be most that aren't. 

Most people on earth want to live the life that affluent people in western countries live. They want a flash car, international holidays, a big house with a tv in every room, and lots and lots of meat.

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6 minutes ago, JamesBlond said:

Yes, it's called civilisation. Rational control is what civilisation is. What gave you the idea that life should be a free-for-all for every person on earth?

First you have to get rid of democracy. No government will survive the next election if they actually do the things they want to do, like massive tax increases.

I don't know anyone that thinks a democratic government should have the control you are talking about.

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1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Most people are not going to give up perfectly good fossil fuelled cars to pay through the nose for battery powered cars that need new batteries every 8 years or so, they are not going to stop eating meat, they are not going to stop flying on holidays etc etc etc.

If governments force them to give up the good life, expect different governments at the next election.

I know, not enough people are rational and prudent. As I said, that's the struggle. That's not an argument against the principle.

 

Whenever I visit a friend's house in the UK, I'm appalled at the level of mindless consumption going on, down to all the stuff in their double-door fridges. They guzzle a liter of chocolate milk instead of having a drink of water. Most of what they take for granted they could do without. A guilt tax on rampant consumption would be a start.

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1 minute ago, JamesBlond said:

A guilt tax on rampant consumption would be a start.

I take it that is humour.

Our way of life depends entirely on rampant consumption. If we stop consuming, millions will become unemployed. Will they sit quietly at home watching day time tv till they die?

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11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Out of the current 7 billion people on the planet, that would be most that aren't. 

Most people on earth want to live the life that affluent people in western countries live. They want a flash car, international holidays, a big house with a tv in every room, and lots and lots of meat.

Are you deliberately not listening? The point is the change the mindset. There is plenty of evidence that it is beginning to have an effect, though it will take years, obviously. What they really need to do is instil the subliminal message into all the TV soaps - that'll change attitudes. Yes, brainwashing - to counter the existing brainwashing in all the relentless advertising that 'more is good'.

 

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1 hour ago, Orton Rd said:

Doom mongering seems as cyclical as the weather, only 40 years ago we were being warned about a new ice age, all the science 'proved it'

 

 

Thanks for that CLASSIC clip. 

It sounds just like the doom merchants of today except substitute heat for cold.

Live long and prosper.

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3 minutes ago, JamesBlond said:

Are you deliberately not listening? The point is the change the mindset. There is plenty of evidence that it is beginning to have an effect, though it will take years, obviously. What they really need to do is instil the subliminal message into all the TV soaps - that'll change attitudes. Yes, brainwashing - to counter the existing brainwashing in all the relentless advertising that 'more is good'.

 

You do realise that most of the people on the planet are not living in western democracies, don't you?

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4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I take it that is humour.

Our way of life depends entirely on rampant consumption. If we stop consuming, millions will become unemployed. Will they sit quietly at home watching day time tv till they die?

Why not, because that's what most people do anyway.

Not suggesting everything stops - only that growth slows down and then is maintained at a sustainable level.

 

I think I've comprehensively won this argument because the comments I'm hearing are now just along the lines of "we are going to carry on regardless to defend our precious lifestyle". March on, ye lemmings.

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