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11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Out of the current 7 billion people on the planet, that would be most that aren't. 

Most people on earth want to live the life that affluent people in western countries live. They want a flash car, international holidays, a big house with a tv in every room, and lots and lots of meat.

Are you deliberately not listening? The point is the change the mindset. There is plenty of evidence that it is beginning to have an effect, though it will take years, obviously. What they really need to do is instil the subliminal message into all the TV soaps - that'll change attitudes. Yes, brainwashing - to counter the existing brainwashing in all the relentless advertising that 'more is good'.

 

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1 hour ago, Orton Rd said:

Doom mongering seems as cyclical as the weather, only 40 years ago we were being warned about a new ice age, all the science 'proved it'

 

 

Thanks for that CLASSIC clip. 

It sounds just like the doom merchants of today except substitute heat for cold.

Live long and prosper.

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3 minutes ago, JamesBlond said:

Are you deliberately not listening? The point is the change the mindset. There is plenty of evidence that it is beginning to have an effect, though it will take years, obviously. What they really need to do is instil the subliminal message into all the TV soaps - that'll change attitudes. Yes, brainwashing - to counter the existing brainwashing in all the relentless advertising that 'more is good'.

 

You do realise that most of the people on the planet are not living in western democracies, don't you?

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4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I take it that is humour.

Our way of life depends entirely on rampant consumption. If we stop consuming, millions will become unemployed. Will they sit quietly at home watching day time tv till they die?

Why not, because that's what most people do anyway.

Not suggesting everything stops - only that growth slows down and then is maintained at a sustainable level.

 

I think I've comprehensively won this argument because the comments I'm hearing are now just along the lines of "we are going to carry on regardless to defend our precious lifestyle". March on, ye lemmings.

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1 minute ago, JamesBlond said:

I think I've comprehensively won this argument because the comments I'm hearing are now just along the lines of "we are going to carry on regardless to defend our precious lifestyle". March on, ye lemmings.

Won the argument on TVF? Perhaps, perhaps not, but what about the rest of the 7 billion of us out there?

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4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You do realise that most of the people on the planet are not living in western democracies, don't you?

I made a post just above in which I explained everything.

Getting developing nations into line will is phase 2. I think we all agree they need to be kept under reasonable control. You agree on that, right? Right?

Fail to answer, lose the argument.

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2 minutes ago, JamesBlond said:

I made a post just above in which I explained everything.

Getting developing nations into line will is phase 2. I think we all agree they need to be kept under reasonable control. You agree on that, right? Right?

Fail to answer, lose the argument.

When posters start with the demands I stop responding. 

Call it a win if it makes you happy, Bye.

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4 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

 Civilization is what ends when you bring your type of solution. Russia used your solution, so did China, Cuba, Venezuela and many others. They all had different bogeymen to fight, but used the same solutions.

Back in those days nobody had any idea that economic growth was destructive - it was a race to growth - the only issue was personal freedom. The world has changed. Now we know what we can't carry on doing without watching the world burn (literally, often enough). Now we have superior knowledge and morality. Now there is no excuse. 

 

The Brazilian and Indonesian forests are burning partly because they are kids in a candy shop but mainly because the west doesn't yet care enough to stop them and put punitive measures in place to prevent it.  You do agree they should stop burning the rainforest, right? Right?

Fail to answer, lose the argument.

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11 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

This time we're going to do socialism right! lol

Socialism isn't going  far enough. It leaves far too much wiggle room for those horrible backward peasants to do things that the self-appointed elites have decided are harmful or "problematic".

 

That's why prominent Left activists are forever fantasizing about the world being put "on a war footing", and the masses "mobilized" as they supposedly were for World War II.

 

You have to wonder about the characters of people who constantly dream about wielding that level of power and control over other people's lives.

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2 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

Socialism isn't going  far enough. It leaves far too much wiggle room for those horrible backward peasants to do things that the self-appointed elites have decided are harmful or "problematic".

Have to disagree with you this time. Socialism as in the British version that gave them the NHS is good, IMO. It's Communism that is the evil.

NZ used to be socialist. The state owned the electric power, the post office and the post office bank, the railways and the intercity bus service etc. The country was way better back then, IMO. Then the government sold everything and it's all gone to <deleted>. Now everyone is unhappy.

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43 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:
2 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

 

 

Thanks for that CLASSIC clip. 

It sounds just like the doom merchants of today except substitute heat for cold.

Live long and prosper.

 

They're right! We've been in an atypical ice age for 3 million years where CO2 repeatedly drops to near dying levels during glacial periods as the world begins to freeze. A trend that is worsening. But thanks to abundant CO2 production, we may have terminated the cycle, but it's uncertain because we don't understand why Earth's CO2 has been so low recently.  However, now that we have raised the temperature a bit, we need to be very careful not not go to far.

 

See, it does not have to be presented as doomsday.

 

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2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Actually I'm still waiting for any affordable, acceptable and doable solutions from the grown ups on this forum, but nada, so far.

You didn't find my suggestion of planting trees any of those? I recently planted 500 Sai Kaoree (Korean Junipers) around my fortress. I hope there's enough CO2 in the air so they grow inpenetrable quickly.

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