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4 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

You didn't find my suggestion of planting trees any of those? I recently planted 500 Sai Kaoree (Korean Junipers) around my fortress. I hope there's enough CO2 in the air so they grow inpenetrable quickly.

 

Like this but bigger ?

 

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1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Have to disagree with you this time. Socialism as in the British version that gave them the NHS is good, IMO. It's Communism that is the evil.

NZ used to be socialist. The state owned the electric power, the post office and the post office bank, the railways and the intercity bus service etc. The country was way better back then, IMO. Then the government sold everything and it's all gone to <deleted>. Now everyone is unhappy.

It's not really binary, many forms of "socialism". Social democrats, while tax hungry, are the least destructive. Some of their policies like state owning (and leasing out) infrastructure makes sense. But only the essentials like you mentioned they had in NZ, I'd add internet access to it. For those it makes sense to pay taxes. For CO2, it's a scam.

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2 hours ago, RickBradford said:

"Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?" - Joseph Stalin.

 

And we've seen young schoolgirls being used as propaganda pawns by some very unsavory people in the 20th century.

 

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4 minutes ago, Denim said:

 

Like this but bigger ?

 

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Different type, can't find a photo right now. They are 3m tall and will grow into a 80cm thick fence. Plenty of biomass. Lovely little tree in your photo, too, even a bonsai would help mother earth.

 

Here's a suggestions to all those activists: learn how to farm. 

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How are houses heated in Sweden? (I haven't been there, totally valid question).

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13 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

The scientific consensus that humans are causing climate change has passed 99%. Denial is political, not scientific.

Denial is total ignorance.

 

I pop in here once in awhile. It's grotesquely interesting.

 

Like reading a thread with Creationists, who find it impossible to believe the incontrovertible evidence of Evolution, but have no problem believing - with a total lack of evidence - that there was an ark which carried 2 of every animal species on Earth including dinosaurs.

 

Willful ignorance? Cognitive dissonance? Lack of oxygen when exiting the womb?

 

This thread should really be put in a time capsule, so that when future generations ask, "How could they have let this happen?", they can read it.

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9 hours ago, RickBradford said:

Since you know nothing about my views on climate science...

 

Great point.

 

If only you were posting in a thread on the climate emergency and making hundreds of posts in that and other related threads, it might have been possible to have a good idea of your views.

 

But since you aren't doing that...

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29 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

The scientific consensus that humans are causing climate change has passed 99%. Denial is political, not scientific.

Are you keeping track? Are you sure you didn't miss a few? like the 500 climate scientists who just petitioned the UN saying their is no climate crisis.

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5 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

Are you keeping track? Are you sure you didn't miss a few? like the 500 climate scientists who just petitioned the UN saying their is no climate crisis.

"Nearly all publishing climate scientists (97–98%[1]) support the consensus on anthropogenic climate change....The level of consensus correlates with expertise in climate science".

 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_who_disagree_with_the_scientific_consensus_on_global_warming

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26 minutes ago, JimmyJ said:

"Nearly all publishing climate scientists (97–98%[1]) support the consensus on anthropogenic climate change....The level of consensus correlates with expertise in climate science".

 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_who_disagree_with_the_scientific_consensus_on_global_warming

I am sure the gatekeepers of WIKI are in consensus. But a majority is meaningless in science. How many auto workers would vote to ban cars?

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1 hour ago, Airbagwill said:

The scientific consensus that humans are causing climate change has passed 99%. Denial is political, not scientific.

I'm pretty sure it'll pass 101% soon.

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8 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

A global network of more than 500 knowledgeable and experienced scientists and professionals in climate and related fields have the honor to address to Your Excellencies the attached European Climate Declaration, for which the signatories to this letter are the national ambassadors. The general-circulation models of climate on which international policy is at present founded are unfit for their purpose.  Link

 

Here are their main points

  • There is no climate emergency
  • Climate science should be less political
  • Natural as well as anthropogenic factors cause warming
  • Warming is far slower than predicted
  • Climate policy relies on inadequate models
  • CO2 is plant food, the basis of all life on Earth
  • Global warming has not increased natural disasters
  • Climate policy must respect scientific and economic realities

From AEI.org neoconservative lobby group funded by:

 

A 2013 study by Drexel University Sociologist Robert J. Brulle noted that AEI received $86.7 million dollars between 2003 and 2010, with the single largest source being Donors Trust, which has Charles Koch and David Koch as its largest contributors.[154]

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enterprise_Institute

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1 hour ago, pgs said:

How are houses heated in Sweden? (I haven't been there, totally valid question).

Probably same as Finland, electric, oil furnaces, some older places use wood and in some cities there might be pipes carrying heat from power plants that circulates warm water in the heaters. Of those only electric and heat produced with nuclear, wind or hydro is "clean".

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