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18 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Farmers are able to see changes very quickly due to the greening effect of CO2. It's another input that should be used to validate any climate models and crop yields are a clear measurable, yet it too must be adjusted for other variables that they would know, like changing into GMO and like. Just about anything that is connected to the atmosphere provides data, which makes a workable model that is basically chaotic just about impossible. Yet that's the base of saying CO2 is the steering power of climate change. Meh. 

 

Argo itself says it best: 

 

http://www.argo.ucsd.edu/Uses_of_Argo_data.html

 

Using guesstimated data to develop models is just a case of GiGo, Garbage in, Garbage out.

You should check the date of that argo link. It's 10 years old.

 

As for farmers, they are reporting big changes and mostly suffering from them. Except in the far north where climate change has made planting temperate climate crops possible. Except in the tundra regions where it's been a disaster for agriculture.

 

Europe’s Winemakers Break With Tradition as Temperatures Rise

Vineyards adapt by growing vines at higher altitudes or using new varieties of grape; traditionalists chafe at changes

https://www.wsj.com/articles/europes-winemakers-break-with-tradition-as-temperatures-rise-11567245600

 

How Climate Change in Iowa is Changing U.S. Politics

 

https://time.com/5669023/iowa-farmers-climate-policy/

 

Radical warming in Siberia leaves millions on unstable ground

 

For the 5.4 million people who live in Russia’s permafrost zone, the new climate has disrupted their homes and their livelihoods. Rivers are rising and running faster, and entire neighborhoods are falling into them. Arable land for farming has plummeted by more than half, to just 120,000 acres in 2017.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/climate-environment/climate-change-siberia/

 

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1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

You should check the date of that argo link. It's 10 years old.

 

As for farmers, they are reporting big changes and mostly suffering from them. Except in the far north where climate change has made planting temperate climate crops possible. Except in the tundra regions where it's been a disaster for agriculture.

 

Europe’s Winemakers Break With Tradition as Temperatures Rise

Vineyards adapt by growing vines at higher altitudes or using new varieties of grape; traditionalists chafe at changes

https://www.wsj.com/articles/europes-winemakers-break-with-tradition-as-temperatures-rise-11567245600

 

How Climate Change in Iowa is Changing U.S. Politics

 

https://time.com/5669023/iowa-farmers-climate-policy/

 

Radical warming in Siberia leaves millions on unstable ground

 

For the 5.4 million people who live in Russia’s permafrost zone, the new climate has disrupted their homes and their livelihoods. Rivers are rising and running faster, and entire neighborhoods are falling into them. Arable land for farming has plummeted by more than half, to just 120,000 acres in 2017.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/climate-environment/climate-change-siberia/

 

I decided to check how bad it actually is. And when I say CHECK I mean analyse some real data rather than trust media and look at whatever pictures they post for you guys to see.

It actually doesn't look too bad. At least the weather isn't claiming more casualties than they did 100 years ago. I'll dig around a little to see if I can find any D-A-T-A regarding crops and populations as well.

 

Data is king!

 

*All data from CRED (https://www.emdat.be/database)

 

One question: is this when I can expect posters to try to discredit the source and accuse me of lies (as well as accusations of not posting a link to the data)...?

 

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1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Say it ain't so!!!

Florida GOP leaders finally utter ‘sea level rise,’ lament ‘lost decade’

 

For the first time in a decade, a Florida Senate committee scheduled a meeting Monday to discuss the impact of climate change on the peninsula state.

What did senators learn?

“We lost a decade,’’ said Sen. Tom Lee, the Thonotosassa Republican who chairs the Committee on Infrastructure and Security.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article236215368.html

 

Well, that's it for him!  A few years back Florida passed a law that said words like "climate change" could not be used in relation to state matters.  This fellow was governor at the time

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His name is Rick Scott.  He'll go far (he's a US Senator now), he's a model Republican and can lick boots with the best of them, right up there with Kevin McCarthy.

 

There are some suspicious state laws throughout the US.  E.g. "the laws involving gun ownership cannot be altered" or something to that effect. 

 

 

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10 hours ago, DrTuner said:

Probably same as Finland, electric, oil furnaces, some older places use wood and in some cities there might be pipes carrying heat from power plants that circulates warm water in the heaters. Of those only electric and heat produced with nuclear, wind or hydro is "clean".

Bit out of touch, eh?

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Demonstrating how deranged and absurd these "woke" activities have become, a number of activists are now denouncing the Greta Thunberg circus as evidence of "white supremacy", "white privilege" and "white power".

 

You just can't be "woke" enough for some people, it seems.

 

A Ugandan "decolonizing" group called No White Saviors says that Greta is benefiting from a "global system of white supremacy" which has given her "privilege and a platform".

 

"Y'all need to ask yourselves why you find it so much easier to hear from white people, regardless of age, when it comes to the violence they have caused across the world," they said.

 

Another nimrod tweeted that: "Indigenous peoples have been saying this [climate change] for 500 years. So it is not a new message. Her message has political and cultural authority due to white supremacy."

 

So much for "woke" solidarity; it's all about competing identity politics and victimhood status, in the pursuit of power.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Forethat said:

I decided to check how bad it actually is. And when I say CHECK I mean analyse some real data rather than trust media and look at whatever pictures they post for you guys to see.

It actually doesn't look too bad. At least the weather isn't claiming more casualties than they did 100 years ago. I'll dig around a little to see if I can find any D-A-T-A regarding crops and populations as well.

 

Data is king!

 

*All data from CRED (https://www.emdat.be/database)

 

One question: is this when I can expect posters to try to discredit the source and accuse me of lies (as well as accusations of not posting a link to the data)...?

 

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There are direct effects and indirect effects.

Climate change in the Fertile Crescent and implications of the recent Syrian drought

There is evidence that the 2007−2010 drought contributed to the conflict in Syria. It was the worst drought in the instrumental record, causing widespread crop failure and a mass migration of farming families to urban centers. Century-long observed trends in precipitation, temperature, and sea-level pressure, supported by climate model results, strongly suggest that anthropogenic forcing has increased the probability of severe and persistent droughts in this region, and made the occurrence of a 3-year drought as severe as that of 2007−2010 2 to 3 times more likely than by natural variability alone. We conclude that human influences on the climate system are implicated in the current Syrian conflict.

https://www.pnas.org/content/112/11/3241

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1 minute ago, sillyfool said:

does anyone know if greta is charging a fee for her speaking engagements ? 

google is your friend:

 

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1 hour ago, RickBradford said:

Demonstrating how deranged and absurd these "woke" activities have become, a number of activists are now denouncing the Greta Thunberg circus as evidence of "white supremacy", "white privilege" and "white power".

 

You just can't be "woke" enough for some people, it seems.

 

A Ugandan "decolonizing" group called No White Saviors says that Greta is benefiting from a "global system of white supremacy" which has given her "privilege and a platform".

 

"Y'all need to ask yourselves why you find it so much easier to hear from white people, regardless of age, when it comes to the violence they have caused across the world," they said.

 

Another nimrod tweeted that: "Indigenous peoples have been saying this [climate change] for 500 years. So it is not a new message. Her message has political and cultural authority due to white supremacy."

 

So much for "woke" solidarity; it's all about competing identity politics and victimhood status, in the pursuit of power.

 

 

Off topic rant triggered by some discussing race, or indigenous peoples or soothing else that most people don’t get wound up by.

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Nonsense.You make assertions but you don't back them up with links. 


A link to what? You guys regurgitating the 97% lie over and over?

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2 minutes ago, RideJocky said:

 


Yes, we should only pay attention to people making a living off of publishing papers on global warming. The people benefiting are the only ones to be trusted.

I would liken it to tobacco companies doing studies on the heath hazards of smoking.

 

Which is why even today, I believe that that tobacco smoking is not hazardous to your health. Because all those researchers who found differently depend on the medical industrial complex to make tobacco the villain. They'd be out of jobs if they ever tried to publish the truth.

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