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6 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Maybe because it's starting to sound strange that one faction of science suddenly seems to be in agreement with something other factions look at very suspiciously. The entire climatology segment needs a good, hard looking into. Fishy.

Oh, you think those 500 plus people are actually representative of the scientific community? Maybe you've got some polling data to support your contention? In fact, from the polling data I've seen, the only scientists that have a high level of doubt about the role CO2 plays in global warming are  geologists working for the fossil fuel industry.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Oh, you think those 500 plus people are actually representative of the scientific community? Maybe you've got some polling data to support your contention? In fact, from the polling data I've seen, the only scientists that have a high level of doubt about the role CO2 plays in global warming are  geologists working for the fossil fuel industry.

Well, any automation engineer f.ex. would immediately start questioning the input signals, like the fact that the sea surface temperature probes have only recently been deployed and the rest of the data is guesswork. Seeing as this is what has been used to create climate models. 

 

Climate is connected to a great number of disciplines from farming to nuclear physics. Yet their input will be categorically ignored because the überhuman climatologists, a fairly new addition to the scene, suddenly had an eureka moment and figured it out? Meh.

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2 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Well, any automation engineer f.ex. would immediately start questioning the input signals, like the fact that the sea surface temperature probes have only recently been deployed and the rest of the data is guesswork. Seeing as this is what has been used to create climate models. 

 

Climate is connected to a great number of disciplines from farming to nuclear physics. Yet their input will be categorically ignored because the überhuman climatologists, a fairly new addition to the scene, suddenly had a heureka moment and figured it out? Meh.

there is over a hundred years of sea surface temperature records. And the current argo system is already recording rises in temperatures.

As for "climate being connected to a great number of disciplines". What does that even mean? Farmers depend on climate. Are farmers or agricultural scientists actually researching climate change? Because that would make them climatologists. But are they doing that? There has been some research connecting solar cycles to climate change. You might by stretching definitions a bit connect that to nuclear physics.  But the connection is a weak one and actually argues in favor of anthropogenic climate change.

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Say it ain't so!!!

Florida GOP leaders finally utter ‘sea level rise,’ lament ‘lost decade’

 

For the first time in a decade, a Florida Senate committee scheduled a meeting Monday to discuss the impact of climate change on the peninsula state.

What did senators learn?

“We lost a decade,’’ said Sen. Tom Lee, the Thonotosassa Republican who chairs the Committee on Infrastructure and Security.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article236215368.html

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8 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

there is over a hundred years of sea surface temperature records. And the current argo system is already recording rises in temperatures.

As for "climate being connected to a great number of disciplines". What does that even mean? Farmers depend on climate. Are farmers or agricultural scientists actually researching climate change? Because that would make them climatologists. But are they doing that? There has been some research connecting solar cycles to climate change. You might by stretching definitions a bit connect that to nuclear physics.  But the connection is a weak one and actually argues in favor of anthropogenic climate change.

Farmers are able to see changes very quickly due to the greening effect of CO2. It's another input that should be used to validate any climate models and crop yields are a clear measurable, yet it too must be adjusted for other variables that they would know, like changing into GMO and like. Just about anything that is connected to the atmosphere provides data, which makes creating a workable model that is basically chaotic just about impossible. Yet that's the base of saying CO2 is the steering power of climate change. Meh. 

 

Argo itself says it best: 

 

http://www.argo.ucsd.edu/Uses_of_Argo_data.html

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The global Argo dataset is not yet long enough to observe global change signals. Seasonal and interannual variability dominate the present 10-year globally-averaged time series. Sparse global sampling during 2004-2005 can lead to substantial differences in statistical analyses of ocean temperature and trend (or steric sea level and its trend, e.g. Leuliette and Miller, 2009). Analyses of decadal changes presently focus on comparison of Argo to sparse and sometimes inaccurate historical data. Argo's greatest contributions to observing the global oceans are still in the future, but its global span is clearly transforming the capability to observe climate-related changes.

 

Using guesstimated data to develop models is just a case of GiGo, Garbage in, Garbage out.

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18 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Farmers are able to see changes very quickly due to the greening effect of CO2. It's another input that should be used to validate any climate models and crop yields are a clear measurable, yet it too must be adjusted for other variables that they would know, like changing into GMO and like. Just about anything that is connected to the atmosphere provides data, which makes a workable model that is basically chaotic just about impossible. Yet that's the base of saying CO2 is the steering power of climate change. Meh. 

 

Argo itself says it best: 

 

http://www.argo.ucsd.edu/Uses_of_Argo_data.html

 

Using guesstimated data to develop models is just a case of GiGo, Garbage in, Garbage out.

You should check the date of that argo link. It's 10 years old.

 

As for farmers, they are reporting big changes and mostly suffering from them. Except in the far north where climate change has made planting temperate climate crops possible. Except in the tundra regions where it's been a disaster for agriculture.

 

Europe’s Winemakers Break With Tradition as Temperatures Rise

Vineyards adapt by growing vines at higher altitudes or using new varieties of grape; traditionalists chafe at changes

https://www.wsj.com/articles/europes-winemakers-break-with-tradition-as-temperatures-rise-11567245600

 

How Climate Change in Iowa is Changing U.S. Politics

 

https://time.com/5669023/iowa-farmers-climate-policy/

 

Radical warming in Siberia leaves millions on unstable ground

 

For the 5.4 million people who live in Russia’s permafrost zone, the new climate has disrupted their homes and their livelihoods. Rivers are rising and running faster, and entire neighborhoods are falling into them. Arable land for farming has plummeted by more than half, to just 120,000 acres in 2017.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/climate-environment/climate-change-siberia/

 

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1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

You should check the date of that argo link. It's 10 years old.

 

As for farmers, they are reporting big changes and mostly suffering from them. Except in the far north where climate change has made planting temperate climate crops possible. Except in the tundra regions where it's been a disaster for agriculture.

 

Europe’s Winemakers Break With Tradition as Temperatures Rise

Vineyards adapt by growing vines at higher altitudes or using new varieties of grape; traditionalists chafe at changes

https://www.wsj.com/articles/europes-winemakers-break-with-tradition-as-temperatures-rise-11567245600

 

How Climate Change in Iowa is Changing U.S. Politics

 

https://time.com/5669023/iowa-farmers-climate-policy/

 

Radical warming in Siberia leaves millions on unstable ground

 

For the 5.4 million people who live in Russia’s permafrost zone, the new climate has disrupted their homes and their livelihoods. Rivers are rising and running faster, and entire neighborhoods are falling into them. Arable land for farming has plummeted by more than half, to just 120,000 acres in 2017.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/climate-environment/climate-change-siberia/

 

I decided to check how bad it actually is. And when I say CHECK I mean analyse some real data rather than trust media and look at whatever pictures they post for you guys to see.

It actually doesn't look too bad. At least the weather isn't claiming more casualties than they did 100 years ago. I'll dig around a little to see if I can find any D-A-T-A regarding crops and populations as well.

 

Data is king!

 

*All data from CRED (https://www.emdat.be/database)

 

One question: is this when I can expect posters to try to discredit the source and accuse me of lies (as well as accusations of not posting a link to the data)...?

 

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1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Say it ain't so!!!

Florida GOP leaders finally utter ‘sea level rise,’ lament ‘lost decade’

 

For the first time in a decade, a Florida Senate committee scheduled a meeting Monday to discuss the impact of climate change on the peninsula state.

What did senators learn?

“We lost a decade,’’ said Sen. Tom Lee, the Thonotosassa Republican who chairs the Committee on Infrastructure and Security.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article236215368.html

 

Well, that's it for him!  A few years back Florida passed a law that said words like "climate change" could not be used in relation to state matters.  This fellow was governor at the time

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His name is Rick Scott.  He'll go far (he's a US Senator now), he's a model Republican and can lick boots with the best of them, right up there with Kevin McCarthy.

 

There are some suspicious state laws throughout the US.  E.g. "the laws involving gun ownership cannot be altered" or something to that effect. 

 

 

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10 hours ago, DrTuner said:

Probably same as Finland, electric, oil furnaces, some older places use wood and in some cities there might be pipes carrying heat from power plants that circulates warm water in the heaters. Of those only electric and heat produced with nuclear, wind or hydro is "clean".

Bit out of touch, eh?

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Demonstrating how deranged and absurd these "woke" activities have become, a number of activists are now denouncing the Greta Thunberg circus as evidence of "white supremacy", "white privilege" and "white power".

 

You just can't be "woke" enough for some people, it seems.

 

A Ugandan "decolonizing" group called No White Saviors says that Greta is benefiting from a "global system of white supremacy" which has given her "privilege and a platform".

 

"Y'all need to ask yourselves why you find it so much easier to hear from white people, regardless of age, when it comes to the violence they have caused across the world," they said.

 

Another nimrod tweeted that: "Indigenous peoples have been saying this [climate change] for 500 years. So it is not a new message. Her message has political and cultural authority due to white supremacy."

 

So much for "woke" solidarity; it's all about competing identity politics and victimhood status, in the pursuit of power.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Forethat said:

I decided to check how bad it actually is. And when I say CHECK I mean analyse some real data rather than trust media and look at whatever pictures they post for you guys to see.

It actually doesn't look too bad. At least the weather isn't claiming more casualties than they did 100 years ago. I'll dig around a little to see if I can find any D-A-T-A regarding crops and populations as well.

 

Data is king!

 

*All data from CRED (https://www.emdat.be/database)

 

One question: is this when I can expect posters to try to discredit the source and accuse me of lies (as well as accusations of not posting a link to the data)...?

 

Screenshot 2019-10-16 at 18.38.56.png

There are direct effects and indirect effects.

Climate change in the Fertile Crescent and implications of the recent Syrian drought

There is evidence that the 2007−2010 drought contributed to the conflict in Syria. It was the worst drought in the instrumental record, causing widespread crop failure and a mass migration of farming families to urban centers. Century-long observed trends in precipitation, temperature, and sea-level pressure, supported by climate model results, strongly suggest that anthropogenic forcing has increased the probability of severe and persistent droughts in this region, and made the occurrence of a 3-year drought as severe as that of 2007−2010 2 to 3 times more likely than by natural variability alone. We conclude that human influences on the climate system are implicated in the current Syrian conflict.

https://www.pnas.org/content/112/11/3241

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1 minute ago, sillyfool said:

does anyone know if greta is charging a fee for her speaking engagements ? 

google is your friend:

 

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