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6 hours ago, Forethat said:

I decided to check how bad it actually is. And when I say CHECK I mean analyse some real data rather than trust media and look at whatever pictures they post for you guys to see.

It actually doesn't look too bad. At least the weather isn't claiming more casualties than they did 100 years ago. I'll dig around a little to see if I can find any D-A-T-A regarding crops and populations as well.

 

Data is king!

 

*All data from CRED (https://www.emdat.be/database)

 

One question: is this when I can expect posters to try to discredit the source and accuse me of lies (as well as accusations of not posting a link to the data)...?

 

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1. I’ll call you out on your source.

 

You’ve posted a graphic which purports to be a histogram based on data from CRED, you have also posted a link to emdat.be/database.

 

What you have not posted is a link to where the graphic came from.

 

Please provide a link to where you got the graphic that you posted

 

2. What specific analytical methods did you use to analyze the data? 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

No, it's right on point.

 

The point being that the climate change debate has become just another outcrop of SJW identity politics, where the aim is not so much to do anything about climate, but to satisfy "progressive" fantasies about diversity and inclusion. And power, of course.

 

If you don't believe me, just look at what the large environmental NGOs have to say, and you will find statements like "climate justice is gender justice" strewn around all over the place.

 

Now that climate change is mired in this social justice stew, it makes it even harder to find practical ways forward.

I believe you, and while I don’t swallow your triggered characterization I have no problem at all with discussions on the part race and culture have to play in who gets listened to and who gets ignored.

 

We could discuss this when the topic comes up, not whenever you are triggered into an off topic rant.

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Which is why even today, I believe that that tobacco smoking is not hazardous to your health. Because all those researchers who found differently depend on the medical industrial complex to make tobacco the villain. They'd be out of jobs if they ever tried to publish the truth.


I thought they were all working for the vape industry now
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24 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

1. I’ll call you out on your source.

 

You’ve posted a graphic which purports to be a histogram based on data from CRED, you have also posted a link to emdat.be/database.

 

What you have not posted is a link to where the graphic came from.

 

Please provide a link to where you got the graphic that you posted

 

2. What specific analytical methods did you use to analyze the data? 

 

 

Well, he has a link in there. The problem is you've got to give them a lot of information to actually gain access to the graphic. But I assume it's the real thing. Still, it doesn't show whether disasters have been on the increase. I did find this from 2005

Disasters Increase, Death Rates Drop

New figures show that the number of disasters worldwide has increased, death rates have decreased, but the number of people affected has increased.

In 2005, there was an 18 percent rise in disasters that killed 91,900 people, and 360 natural disasters in 2005 compared to 305 in 2004, according to official figures issued by the Belgian Université Catholique de Louvain's Center for Research on the Epidemiology of Disasters (CRED) and the United Nations International Strategy for Disaster Reduction (ISDR) in Geneva.

https://www.govtech.com/em/disaster/Disasters-Increase-Death-Rates.html

 

And then there's the fact that apparently, earthquakes and tsunamis caused more death than any other kind of natural disaster. 

https://www.preventionweb.net/publications/view/42895

 

The point being that data can be a false friend if you don't understand what it means and what it doesn't mean. There are reasons that death rates could be dropping that don't correlate with the frequency of natural disasters.

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

I don't know precisely what the word "triggered" is supposed to convey, not being well up on the latest SJW vocabulary, so I will simply repeat that lumping climate change together with all the other identity politics games, as NGOs overwhelmingly do, is detrimental to the whole debate.

 

It's just bad business.

It’s also off topic, so let’s put it aside for now.

 

How addressing to questions I put to you at #1941?

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8 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

I don't know precisely what the word "triggered" is supposed to convey, not being well up on the latest SJW vocabulary, so I will simply repeat that lumping climate change together with all the other identity politics games, as NGOs overwhelmingly do, is detrimental to the whole debate.

 

It's just bad business.

 

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s also off topic, so let’s put it aside for now.

 

How addressing to questions I put to you at #1941?

You'll note RickBradford's typically unsupported assertion that "so I will simply repeat that lumping climate change together with all the other identity politics games, as NGOs overwhelmingly do"

 

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1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s also off topic, so let’s put it aside for now.

 

How addressing to questions I put to you at #1941?

It's central to the topic.

 

Greta is touring the world desperately trying to get urgent action on climate change.

 

The more that activists place climate change in the same basket as race, gender, transgender, gender identity and other SJW hobby horses, the less likely it is that action will occur, because they simply acquire an additional set of opponents.

 

You didn't put any questions to me at #1941. Don't you even read your own posts?

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13 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

It's central to the topic.

 

Greta is touring the world desperately trying to get urgent action on climate change.

 

The more that activists place climate change in the same basket as race, gender, transgender, gender identity and other SJW hobby horses, the less likely it is that action will occur, because they simply acquire an additional set of opponents.

 

You didn't put any questions to me at #1941. Don't you even read your own posts?

You are correct, I apologize, my questions are to Forethat, a mistake of identity on my for which you probably deserve a double apology.

 

Your attempts to drag identity politics into this discussion are nevertheless off topic. Keep your powder dry on that until a thread is opened on the subject.

 

 

 

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56 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Which is why even today, I believe that that tobacco smoking is not hazardous to your health. Because all those researchers who found differently depend on the medical industrial complex to make tobacco the villain. They'd be out of jobs if they ever tried to publish the truth.

 Was that satire?

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1 minute ago, canuckamuck said:

 Was that satire?

Well when some posters make comments like this:

 

"Yes, we should only pay attention to people making a living off of publishing papers on global warming. The people benefiting are the only ones to be trusted.
I would liken it to tobacco companies doing studies on the heath hazards of smoking."
 
I can understand why you might need to ask.
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13 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

Identity politics is a large part of the ongoing problem with attempting to get sensible action on climate change, which is what Greta is attempting to do.

 

It is therefore quite germane to the topic at issue - if you don't want to engage with it, then don't.

How about introducing some credible science to back your arguments?

 

 

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