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2 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

Manmade global warming is a scientific fact....a

Climate denial is just a cavalcade of fools

so was consensus that earth was the center of universe

back in the days of galileo...

only one that think its a fact is john cook & Co,

here, join them online and see if you can add some spin on cc

http://www.hi-izuru.org/forum/The Consensus Project/2012-02-27-Official TCP Guidelines (all discussion of grey areas, disputed papers, clarifications goes here).html

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You go girl hold their feet to the fire make them face what’s happening so all of us can start making responsible changes and grow into a more sustainable world I’m proud of you kiddo!

And first of all make her shut up. 

Small point that needs clarifying. It was Greta's parents that filled her head with confusion, hate and panic, ergo they "stole her dreams". Textbook child abuse really. When she gets bored of this cl

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8 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

Get where? You going to change the climate somehow?

yeah, by reducing 0.02% co2 content in atmosphere

we will see a miracle, expect santa claus to show up in alberta drinking ale to keep warm, all the while begging for someone to fire up a heating system anytime soon

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12 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

Manmade global warming is a scientific fact....a

Climate denial is just a cavalcade of fools

Climate always changes, has done since the planet formed, and will till it's destroyed by an expanding sun.

Please post a link to any person of importance that says climate is not changing.

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11 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

No it's not, except to the people who think Nikola Tesla invented everything, we never landed on the moon and who think the earth is flat, they can prove it all with 'science'

With the recent floods in Isaan, there are a whole bunch of people on the Korat plateau who know the earth is flat.  🙄   A few years back, people in BKK realized the same thing. 

 

I get tired of hearing about all this stuff.  Sure, humans are bad on the earth.  I do my part and keep a low environmental profile.  I don't drive all around polluting. I keep the house (in the USA) cold in the winter and hot in the summer.  When I was in Thailand way back when it was whatever the wind blew in.  Loei got cold and hot. I had a couple of light bulbs and very few possessions.  Life was good. 

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1 hour ago, Damrongsak said:

With the recent floods in Isaan, there are a whole bunch of people on the Korat plateau who know the earth is flat.  🙄   A few years back, people in BKK realized the same thing. 

 

I get tired of hearing about all this stuff.  Sure, humans are bad on the earth.  I do my part and keep a low environmental profile.  I don't drive all around polluting. I keep the house (in the USA) cold in the winter and hot in the summer.  When I was in Thailand way back when it was whatever the wind blew in.  Loei got cold and hot. I had a couple of light bulbs and very few possessions.  Life was good. 

if you want to be eco-friendly and increase biomass,

be sure to revv that cadillac and do your part for the plants. greenhouse owners found that many times over current co2 levels are optimal for nature

 

there are benefits to raising the CO2 level higher than the global average, up to 1500 ppm.

https://fifthseasongardening.com/regulating-carbon-dioxide

 

as of todays atmospheric co2 levels,

plants are starving for co2,

we really do need to get consious

about our environment and release back co2 that over millions of years have been sequestered into fossils.

us, the living things, evolved at a time with

much much higher co2 levels then is today, well over 2000 ppm, compared to

todays measly 400 ppm co2,

5 times below the levels when we evolved.

we became alive and evolved because of high co2 levels. co2 & h2o are the two

most important molecules for life on earth

 

 

co2 through history.jpg

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On 10/20/2019 at 5:04 PM, rabas said:

No. The oil producers do not produce the emissions. Consumers do, by using fuel or buying products that need energy to produce.  The original article in the Guardian purposely mashes facts to gin up emotion and hatred. The article you quoted is little more than an informational drive by shooting.

 

I just want to understand you better. You're saying consumers 'produce' the emissions because of their demand right? Secondly, if you are taking that point would you then say that it's good? By "it's" I mean the continued dependence of fossil fuels? Please elaborate.

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On 10/17/2019 at 7:23 AM, bristolboy said:

Well, he has a link in there. The problem is you've got to give them a lot of information to actually gain access to the graphic. But I assume it's the real thing. Still, it doesn't show whether disasters have been on the increase. I did find this from 2005

Disasters Increase, Death Rates Drop

New figures show that the number of disasters worldwide has increased, death rates have decreased, but the number of people affected has increased.

In 2005, there was an 18 percent rise in disasters that killed 91,900 people, and 360 natural disasters in 2005 compared to 305 in 2004, according to official figures issued by the Belgian Université Catholique de Louvain's Center for Research on the Epidemiology of Disasters (CRED) and the United Nations International Strategy for Disaster Reduction (ISDR) in Geneva.

https://www.govtech.com/em/disaster/Disasters-Increase-Death-Rates.html

 

And then there's the fact that apparently, earthquakes and tsunamis caused more death than any other kind of natural disaster. 

https://www.preventionweb.net/publications/view/42895

 

The point being that data can be a false friend if you don't understand what it means and what it doesn't mean. There are reasons that death rates could be dropping that don't correlate with the frequency of natural disasters.

 

 

 

Exactly. Improved and well-established rescue operations not to mention early warning systems have no doubt improved over the years and helped prevent deaths.

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On 10/17/2019 at 8:35 AM, RickBradford said:

Now, you may regard that as credible science or you may not, but at the very least, it is a strong indication that climate activists would be well advised to keep their distance from the SJW/PC/identity politics types.

I like your post until this quote. I would respectfully disagree. My reasoning is due to the poor outnumbering the rich. The poor will benefit from the new 'industry' or 'market' along with other 'green' new services/jobs. Halting or slowing long established sources of dirty pollution will be of course hurt some and who are they? The wealthy. 

 

I believe viewing the progressive ideas along with policy reforms with the aim of reducing pollution all the while helping lower/middle class people out will be key for her continued success in a positive change. She should keep doing what she is doing which includes gaining support from the same base that has been a victim of unfettered capitalism. This "base" includes the most vulnerable. The most vulnerable are also effected by the increase in natural disasters.

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On 10/20/2019 at 8:03 AM, transam said:

 

Could be the moon doing overtime regarding some sea level rise. Well it does control our tides, doesn't it.........Where I had my boat there was no sea rise that I noticed over 30 years..🧐

there are / have been extensive works done all around the marsh, Dymchurch for example. other places eg birling gap, beachy head are being allowed to succumb to nature. hastings is quite a steep beach, so protected by the shingle washed up, so gets steeper. it will be noticed, just maybe not in our lifetime. most effect is around equatorial areas, yes, due to the moon. @transam

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