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13 minutes ago, jastheace said:

there are / have been extensive works done all around the marsh, Dymchurch for example. other places eg birling gap, beachy head are being allowed to succumb to nature. hastings is quite a steep beach, so protected by the shingle washed up, so gets steeper. it will be noticed, just maybe not in our lifetime. most effect is around equatorial areas, yes, due to the moon. @transam

sea levels are likely to continue rise ever so slightly

until in a few thousand years when earth plummet into next ice age in line

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You go girl hold their feet to the fire make them face what’s happening so all of us can start making responsible changes and grow into a more sustainable world I’m proud of you kiddo!

And first of all make her shut up. 

Small point that needs clarifying. It was Greta's parents that filled her head with confusion, hate and panic, ergo they "stole her dreams". Textbook child abuse really. When she gets bored of this cl

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3 hours ago, brokenbone said:

sea levels are likely to continue rise ever so slightly

until in a few thousand years when earth plummet into next ice age in line

sea lv rise.jpg

sea level rise.jpg

ice age cycles.jpg

800px-EPICA_temperature_plot.svg.png

620px-milankovitchcycles.jpg

yes, all makes sense now. thanks. hope no one brings a different view on the sun spot cycle, I will be completely fluffed up.

thanks 5* for effort, ta very much cob

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33 minutes ago, jastheace said:

yes, all makes sense now. thanks. hope no one brings a different view on the sun spot cycle, I will be completely fluffed up.

thanks 5* for effort, ta very much cob

the sun spots is unrelated to milankovitch cycles

but none the less has major implications, like

the 'minor ice age' that had its peak 1650-1700, the ocean is still recovering from that, it takes eternity for the endless volume of the ocean to respond to changes in temperature, like hundreds to thousands of years, this is why co2 levels

lag behind temperature fluctuations by 800 years. (al gore misinterpreted the graphs and thought co2 leads temperature,

while the records show the exact opposite, that rising co2 is an effect of rising temperature)

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6 hours ago, jastheace said:

there are / have been extensive works done all around the marsh, Dymchurch for example. other places eg birling gap, beachy head are being allowed to succumb to nature. hastings is quite a steep beach, so protected by the shingle washed up, so gets steeper. it will be noticed, just maybe not in our lifetime. most effect is around equatorial areas, yes, due to the moon. @transam

My boat was "parked" on Hastings beach...😊

 

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7 hours ago, jastheace said:

there are / have been extensive works done all around the marsh, Dymchurch for example. other places eg birling gap, beachy head are being allowed to succumb to nature. hastings is quite a steep beach, so protected by the shingle washed up, so gets steeper. it will be noticed, just maybe not in our lifetime. most effect is around equatorial areas, yes, due to the moon. @transam

Sounds like you are talking about England. Isn't England tilting with one coast rising and the other sinking?

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10 hours ago, Solinvictus said:

I just want to understand you better. You're saying consumers 'produce' the emissions because of their demand right? Secondly, if you are taking that point would you then say that it's good? By "it's" I mean the continued dependence of fossil fuels? Please elaborate.

Yes, that's correct. If people drive less and buy fewer things oil companies produce less. It was a technical point to correct the linked article's hate speech against industry.

 

No, it is not particularly good to produce more CO2 at this time. We are already producing a lot. However, you must separate short term from long term effects. Historically (100s of Myears) I'm convinced the Earth is running low on CO2. This is why we are now deep in a multi million year ice age and why the freeze ups are getting worse.

 

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As for short term, my biggest worry is that governments and big money will use climate change to extract countless trillions from the public. A super weapon to continue the rich getting richer. In truth, simply using less and moving away from disposable products will help with CO2 but governments and banks are terrified of deflation.

 

There is a responsible balance between fossil fuels and renewables. As solar and other direct to use energy sources become cheaper they are an obvious choice. Then use fossil fuels as needed to recirculate CO2 at optimum levels.

 

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9 hours ago, brokenbone said:

sea levels are likely to continue rise ever so slightly

until in a few thousand years when earth plummet into next ice age in line

BTW the seabed in f.ex. between Sweden and Finland is still rising, recovering from the weight of the ice. So the sea level there is falling. It gets flushed elsewhere, of course. Just pointing out that the bottom of the seas is not a stable thing, either.

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On 10/21/2019 at 5:34 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Climate always changes, has done since the planet formed, and will till it's destroyed by an expanding sun.

Please post a link to any person of importance that says climate is not changing.

what a silly post. You aren't even addressing the issue MMCC.

That there is over 97% scuentific consensus is fact.

Here are some "important" people....

 

Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile

Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal

Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana

Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela

Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala

Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico

Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia

Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru

Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal

Académie des Sciences, France

Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada

Academy of Athens

Academy of Science of Mozambique

Academy of Science of South Africa

Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)

Academy of Sciences Malaysia

Academy of Sciences of Moldova

Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic

Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran

Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt

Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand

Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy

Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science

African Academy of Sciences

Albanian Academy of Sciences

Amazon Environmental Research Institute

American Academy of Pediatrics

American Anthropological Association

American Association for the Advancement of Science

American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)

American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians

American Astronomical Society

American Chemical Society

American College of Preventive Medicine

American Fisheries Society

American Geophysical Union

American Institute of Biological Sciences

American Institute of Physics

American Meteorological Society

American Physical Society

American Public Health Association

American Quaternary Association

American Society for Microbiology

American Society of Agronomy

American Society of Civil Engineers

American Society of Plant Biologists

American Statistical Association

Association of Ecosystem Research Centers

Australian Academy of Science

Australian Bureau of Meteorology

Australian Coral Reef Society

Australian Institute of Marine Science

Australian Institute of Physics

Australian Marine Sciences Association

Australian Medical Association

Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society  

Bangladesh Academy of Sciences

Botanical Society of America

Brazilian Academy of Sciences

British Antarctic Survey

Bulgarian Academy of Sciences

California Academy of Sciences

Cameroon Academy of Sciences

Canadian Association of Physicists

Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences

Canadian Geophysical Union

Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society

Canadian Society of Soil Science

Canadian Society of Zoologists

Caribbean Academy of Sciences views

Center for International Forestry Research

Chinese Academy of Sciences

Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences

Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)

Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research

Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences

Crop Science Society of America

Cuban Academy of Sciences

Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters

Ecological Society of America

Ecological Society of Australia

Environmental Protection Agency

European Academy of Sciences and Arts

European Federation of Geologists

European Geosciences Union

European Physical Society

European Science Foundation

Federation of American Scientists

French Academy of Sciences

Geological Society of America

Geological Society of Australia

Geological Society of London

Georgian Academy of Sciences

German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina  

Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences

Indian National Science Academy

Indonesian Academy of Sciences  

Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management

Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology

Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand

Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK

InterAcademy Council

International Alliance of Research Universities

International Arctic Science Committee

International Association for Great Lakes Research

International Council for Science

International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences

International Research Institute for Climate and Society

International Union for Quaternary Research

International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics

International Union of Pure and Applied Physics

Islamic World Academy of Sciences

Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities

Kenya National Academy of Sciences

Korean Academy of Science and Technology

Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts

l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal

Latin American Academy of Sciences

Latvian Academy of Sciences

Lithuanian Academy of Sciences

Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences

Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology

Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts

National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina

National Academy of Sciences of Armenia

National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic

National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka

National Academy of Sciences, United States of America

National Aeronautics and Space Administration  

National Association of Geoscience Teachers

National Association of State Foresters

National Center for Atmospheric Research  

National Council of Engineers Australia

National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

National Research Council

National Science Foundation

Natural England

Natural Environment Research Council, UK

Natural Science Collections Alliance

Network of African Science Academies

New York Academy of Sciences

Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences

Nigerian Academy of Sciences

Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters

Oklahoma Climatological Survey

Organization of Biological Field Stations

Pakistan Academy of Sciences

Palestine Academy for Science and Technology

Pew Center on Global Climate Change

Polish Academy of Sciences

Romanian Academy

Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium

Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain

Royal Astronomical Society, UK

Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters

Royal Irish Academy

Royal Meteorological Society (UK)

Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences

Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research

Royal Scientific Society of Jordan

Royal Society of Canada

Royal Society of Chemistry, UK

Royal Society of the United Kingdom

Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences

Russian Academy of Sciences

Science and Technology, Australia  

Science Council of Japan

Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research

Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics

Scripps Institution of Oceanography

Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts

Slovak Academy of Sciences

Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts

Society for Ecological Restoration International

Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics

Society of American Foresters   

Society of Biology (UK)   

Society of Systematic Biologists

Soil Science Society of America

Sudan Academy of Sciences

Sudanese National Academy of Science

Tanzania Academy of Sciences

The Wildlife Society (international)

Turkish Academy of Sciences

Uganda National Academy of Sciences

Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities

United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

University Corporation for Atmospheric Research

Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution

Woods Hole Research Center

World Association of Zoos and Aquariums

World Federation of Public Health Associations

World Forestry Congress

World Health Organization

World Meteorological Organization

Zambia Academy of Sciences

Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences

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1 hour ago, Airbagwill said:

That there is over 97% scuentific consensus is fact.

Here are some "important" people....

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Geological Society of America

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Part of  your 97% was just caught badly lying to you about climate and GW. The story.

 

About 66M BC a giant asteroid hit the Earth wiping out the dinosaurs and eventually killed 60% of all aquatic life. Recently the 97% has been pushing a story that the Earth was already dying from global warming and the asteroid was only a final push. CO2 from volcanoes was the main culprit! of course.

 

The Geological Society of America recently presented this as a GW story with emotional terms and images, even visually comparing ancient volcanoes to man's factories.  Tale of two climate crises gives clues to the present  They suggest the eruption of the Deccan Traps in India starting 100000s of years earlier led to CO2 and ocean acidification that was largely to blame. A common climatologist story oft told.

 

Only problem, It didn't happen.

 

A paper from Yale just introduced a new method to study previously unknown ocean conditions at that time, quote:

 

"What we can show is that there is no real signal of gradual pH decline [acidification] in the ocean in the lead-up to K-Pg,[astroid strike]" Henehan said. "Our results do not support any major role for volcanic activity in priming the world for extinction."  https://phys.org/news/2019-10-mystery-ocean-acidity-mass-extinction.html

 

Didn't happen. Does this mean there is no global warming? No. It means one can't blindly believe because they say 97% and it's all settled science. Science is never settled.

 

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