JAG Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bruntoid said: Having read that garbage I reckon the madness has well and truly started! Oh, he is just having a bit of a Grouse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, JAG said: Well, at the risk of being flippant, ( and perhaps not directed at Jinghing in particular but America in general, the bit where the party or candidate or proposal which/who wins the most votes also wins power or is enacted? You mean like Hillary Clinton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruntoid Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, JAG said: The normal, common, decent thing would be to call a general election. BJ wanted to, an alliance of the opposition and his own party rebels won't allow it. Why not? Ok I’m tempted to put all this in upper case as your question has been answered a gazillion times but that would be rude so here it is again Because Bojo can’t be trusted as shown YET AGAIN today, of course Labour want an election only AFTER a catastrophic no deal has been taken off the table - do you understand now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Bruntoid said: Ok I’m tempted to put all this in upper case as your question has been answered a gazillion times but that would be rude so here it is again Because Bojo can’t be trusted as shown YET AGAIN today, of course Labour want an election only AFTER a catastrophic no deal has been taken off the table - do you understand now ? If an election results in Boris Johnson returning to power, then a no deal exit is firmly back on the table, Labour will be in opposition for the foreseeable future and the Tory rebels will be looking for work. As things stand, whilst not in government Labour have managed to get their paws on some of the levers of power, and (understandably) are unwilling to let go. - do you understand now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 The whole "Brexit" debacle from the "flawed" referendum, years of negotiations by a "remainer" prime minister who's deal was rejected by parliament 3 times then failure to ask "the people" again this time in a "legally binding" referendum... in or out either way just get on with it !!!Now that the Supreme Court has ruled, Parliament can get on with it.Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 This will do wonders for the Pound, now we'll finally appear credible and politically stable enough for investors to trust our currency. Brilliant!Not as much as Parliament possibly managing to finish off no-deal BrexitSent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 The markets predict 75 baht-£1 next weekCould aim for 45+ if Brexit killed off.Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I'd love to here her say "We are not amused" like Queen Victoria.Maybe a live recording Boris's next visit.Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, JAG said: If an election results in Boris Johnson returning to power, then a no deal exit is firmly back on the table, Labour will be in opposition for the foreseeable future and the Tory rebels will be looking for work. As things stand, whilst not in government Labour have managed to get their paws on some of the levers of power, and (understandably) are unwilling to let go. - do you understand now? Your argument is based on a prediction of future events. Were you possessed of a ‘seeing eye’ you would have foreseen today’s outcome. Actually, the knowledge that Johnson is a serial liar and hopelessly incompetent should have been enough of a portent of today’s outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruntoid Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, JAG said: If an election results in Boris Johnson returning to power, then a no deal exit is firmly back on the table, Labour will be in opposition for the foreseeable future and the Tory rebels will be looking for work. As things stand, whilst not in government Labour have managed to get their paws on some of the levers of power, and (understandably) are unwilling to let go. - do you understand now? I understand perfectly that you’re struggling - it would be enshrined in law, how else would it be ‘taken off the table’ ? on Bojo the serial liars word ? (and you think Bojo’s going to take on the courts again after today’s humiliation ?). I understand it’s a poor day for leavers but come on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Well I have to say that I am not particularly surprised. The "Remain Campaign" has from before the referendum, been very much the child of the establishment. The courts are after all the product of the establishment, and I suspect that the government realised that from the start. Amidst the whole sea of opinions, campaigns, parliamentary and party machinations a couple of fixed points poke out of the foam. One: the people of the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union in the referendum. Two: the subsequent general election returned a parliament, of which the overwhelming majority of members, on both sides of the house, were elected on manifestoes which stated that the result of the referendum was to be honoured, and the UK was to leave the EU. Both results, obtained through the ballot box, have effectively been overturned by this establishment, and a general election, the proper constitutional means to arrive at a solution has been denied. It is tempting if perhaps melodramatic to suggest that the establishment has vigorously and contemptibly put two fingers up to the electorate. Where do we go from here? I suspect that it will be some time before we have an election - the Labour Party, which has spent the last week in conference busily confirming its reputation as being unelectable will not want one until they are sure that they can win it - a long wait; and the Conservative rebels will not want one unless they can oust Johnson and his team and replace them with their own people, if they don't manage that then they know that come an election they will be toast! We are probably in for quite a long period of a stalled government, and yet more choleric grandstanding from Mr Speaker Bercow - he won't resign now!Honouring the referendum does not equate to honouring no-deal Brexit only.Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruntoid Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, SheungWan said: Could aim for 45+ if Brexit killed off. Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app But the pound collapse was nothing to do with Brexit remember ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Apparently not- They are part of the establishment which is determined to force Brexit through by fair means or foul. Legality no issue. As we saw today, these tactics will fail due to the rule of law.The Supreme Court has ruled that Boris's means are foul.Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Americans don't understand UK politics. Which part of 'majority vote' does JT not understand.Not helped by Hard Brexiteers lying that no-deal is the only deal Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansumFarang Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 hours ago, SheungWan said: That would be the debacle of Boris Johnson breaking the law presumably. Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app So which law did he break? Or was a new law hurriedly added to the books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyCarlton Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, mfd101 said: No end of entertainment. At least for non-Brits. HM will be extremely unamused. The decree issued by her, on 'her' PM's advice, is declared illegal, nul & void. I doubt that she's encountered that at any previous time in her 67 years on The Throne! According to a senior Tory MP, she's going to be even more unamused tommorow when Johnson turns up at her house asking for a second proroguation. Apparently Dominic Cummings flew back from New York early to make up some more <deleted> to feed the Queen with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruntoid Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 23 minutes ago, billd766 said: quote "You honestly don't think Johnson, Gove, Reese Mogg and Farage are not part of the establishment? The first 3 yes, but Farage, not really. If he was he would be an MP in the UK and not in the EU. Hmmm he’s tried SEVEN times I think and been told no thanks each time on the basis I’m presuming he’s a loon ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 So which law did he break? Or was a new law hurriedly added to the books?You could of course read the unanimous ruling of the UK Supreme Court decided upon 11-0. It should be in the public domain sometime very soon.Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said: According to a senior Tory MP, she's going to be even more unamused tommorow when Johnson turns up at her house asking for a second proroguation. Apparently Dominic Cummings flew back from New York early to make up some more <deleted> to feed the Queen with. The only message the serial liar Johnson needs to hand HM is his resignation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forethat Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, SheungWan said: You could of course read the unanimous ruling of the UK Supreme Court decided upon 11-0. It should be in the public domain sometime very soon. Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2019-0192-judgment.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansumFarang Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 39 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: This ruling will surely send a nervous shiver down the spines of the hedge fund managers who bankrolled the Leave Campaign and have placed their investment bets against the UK. What about the currency speculators who have been funding Gina Miller's legal challenges against Brexit? Presumably they will be very pleased .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Your argument is based on a prediction of future events. Were you possessed of a ‘seeing eye’ you would have foreseen today’s outcome. Actually, the knowledge that Johnson is a serial liar and hopelessly incompetent should have been enough of a portent of today’s outcome. You may recall that at the start of this exchange I remarked that I was not surprised by the Supreme Court's decision. Mind you it would be fair to say that I am perhaps not as persuaded by the, how shall we put it, legal purity of the judgement as you may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Incredible decision. All the legal experts on Sky now are saying how shocked they are at the verdict. Of course while being cut off by the host and remainer politicians but that's par for the course. The establishment needs to be very careful. If the courts are seen to be biased (which this judgement has proved to be the case) then things could get ugly.And so the Brexiteer not-so veiled threats begin.Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruntoid Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, HansumFarang said: What about the currency speculators who have been funding Gina Miller's legal challenges against Brexit? Presumably they will be very pleased .... I’m struggling with that - the big money has been made on shorting the pound - why would they back Miller ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, JAG said: You may recall that at the start of this exchange I remarked that I was not surprised by the Supreme Court's decision. Mind you it would be fair to say that I am perhaps not as persuaded by the, how shall we put it, legal purity of the judgement as you may be. Please do give us your expert legal opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruntoid Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, JAG said: You may recall that at the start of this exchange I remarked that I was not surprised by the Supreme Court's decision. Mind you it would be fair to say that I am perhaps not as persuaded by the, how shall we put it, legal purity of the judgement as you may be. 6-5 you may have had a point - 11-0 is as pure as it’s going to get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, JAG said: We are probably in for quite a long period of a stalled government, and yet more choleric grandstanding from Mr Speaker Bercow - he won't resign now! The bullying allegations against the hobbit need to surface again on day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, Bruntoid said: I understand perfectly that you’re struggling - it would be enshrined in law, how else would it be ‘taken off the table’ ? on Bojo the serial liars word ? (and you think Bojo’s going to take on the courts again after today’s humiliation ?). I understand it’s a poor day for leavers but come on! A law which a majority government could simply repeal. You and your ilk are forever telling us that parliament makes the law. I am sure that a stickler for constitutional probity such as yourself is familiar with the concept that a parliament cannot bind its successors. One can hardly grouse about that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Please do give us your expert legal opinion. I am no legal expert. Are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansumFarang Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, SheungWan said: You could of course read the unanimous ruling of the UK Supreme Court decided upon 11-0. It should be in the public domain sometime very soon. Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Yeah, I've been reading it. It references John Major (who prorogued for 3 weeks before an election in 1997 for his own ends) and Gina Miller (who is bankrolled by dubious foreign interests), and of course the unwritten constitution, which we conveniently can't refer to on account of it not existing in written form. It's b*****it. No written laws have been broken. That's why you don't have a real answer to my question "Which law was broken?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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