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1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

How about this definition of a gaffe?

"A Kinsley gaffe occurs when a political gaffe reveals some truth that a politician did not intend to admit. The term comes from journalist Michael Kinsley, who said, "A gaffe is when a politician tells the truth – some obvious truth he isn't supposed to say."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_gaffe

Why did you quote me when you ignored what I posted?

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1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Local news service gave us both sides of the story.

 

"successfully" depends on which side you are sitting. I found it satisfactory.

 

IMO won't change anything, as a "trial" in the senate would surely allow Trump's team to give similar examples of what the Dems have done in the past.

Can you cite some similar examples? Or is this just another instance of faith-based Trumpism?

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2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Actually, it depends on the % of GOP senators voters that want them to vote against Trump. No senator that faces re election is going to vote against their self interest, IMO. They are after all politicians. No statesmen around anymore, IMO.

 

Joni Ernst, Corey Gardner, Susan Collins are polling quite poorly over the past week or so.

 

Still a big enough back-stop to allow some GOPers to convict in order to salvage their re-election.

 

BTW, It (conviction) requires two-thirds of senators present for the proceedings. And not 67.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Local news service gave us both sides of the story.

 

"successfully" depends on which side you are sitting. I found it satisfactory.

 

IMO won't change anything, as a "trial" in the senate would surely allow Trump's team to give similar examples of what the Dems have done in the past.

Trump's team, who will be on it? Giuliani has thrwon himself under the bus, the new guy has already withdrawn. Won't be much of a team left.

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8 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Joni Ernst, Corey Gardner, Susan Collins are polling quite poorly over the past week or so.

 

Still a big enough back-stop to allow some GOPers to convict in order to salvage their re-election.

 

BTW, It (conviction) requires two-thirds of senators present for the proceedings. And not 67.

 

 

If any GOP senator absented themselves from a vote without some absolutely amazing reason, the voters will take revenge on them anyway.

Interesting times we live in indeed.

 

It's becoming apparent that the house will, in the absence of some unknown reason, uphold impeachment. IMO they know that if they don't after all the uproar they'll look like fools, and it's even possible that enough GOP senators could be persuaded to convict to remove him, but IMO they'll try and delay it as long as possible, as every day between Trump being removed and the new president being sworn in next January will be a day for Pence to be in charge, and I don't think he'll be as reticent as Trump in bringing the hammer down on the Dems.

IMO, the Dems will rue the day they removed Trump through impeachment and not at the ballot box.

Be careful what you wish for.

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Can you cite some similar examples? Or is this just another instance of faith-based Trumpism?


Yes, thousands, but they would all be termed deflections, off-topic, but-but-but, ad nausea
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23 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

I'm leaning towards no impeachment.

 

He'll have to resign.

 

I have to say that the pace of his mental decline is startling.

 

Sad.

He'll have to resign because.....

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On 10/16/2019 at 11:12 AM, Opl said:

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Trump Just Blamed Barack Obama For His Impeachment

 

 

Trump claims Obama conspired against him in 2016 and appears to blame Barack Obama for his impeachment in a rambling mess of self-pity word salad.

 
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There is no impeachment. Nancy won't even hold an inquiry vote. The only thing that has changed in the years-long "GET TRUMP!" obsession of Democrats is they've decided to put lipstick on the pig and say they're having an impeachment inquiry.

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20 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If any GOP senator absented themselves from a vote without some absolutely amazing reason, the voters will take revenge on them anyway.

Interesting times we live in indeed.

 

It's becoming apparent that the house will, in the absence of some unknown reason, uphold impeachment. IMO they know that if they don't after all the uproar they'll look like fools, and it's even possible that enough GOP senators could be persuaded to convict to remove him, but IMO they'll try and delay it as long as possible, as every day between Trump being removed and the new president being sworn in next January will be a day for Pence to be in charge, and I don't think he'll be as reticent as Trump in bringing the hammer down on the Dems.

IMO, the Dems will rue the day they removed Trump through impeachment and not at the ballot box.

Be careful what you wish for.

 

The funny thing is the more articles of impeachment they bring will only be dismissed in the senate. So by all means throw the kitchen sink at Trump. Then when the senate tosses it out there is no ammo left.

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On 10/15/2019 at 4:46 PM, wayned said:

I think that Pelosi realizes this and it is why she held off endorsing the impeachment inquiry until other members of the house "convinced" her too.  What she is now hoping is that there will be enough evidence of Trump's abuse of power that, even if the Senate doesn't remove him, it will sway some of the folks in middle America to not vote for Trump.  It's a big gamble, nut what's the other choice now that the inquiry is formally started.

The inquiry hasn't formally started. That's the big con.

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On 10/14/2019 at 10:28 AM, heybruce said:

And Trump's bragging about all the money he's made from Russian's, negotiating a real estate deal with Moscow while running his "let's be friends with Russia" campaign, defiance of precedent and not releasing his tax returns, etc., is cause enough to find out what is going on.

 

President's Zelensky's request for military aid, bet with a "do us a favor" response followed by a request for an investigation of discredited conspiracy theories is a request for illegal campaign help.

What's wrong with making money from Russians? What's wrong with doing a real estate deal in Moscow? What's wrong with wanting to be friends with Russia? I seem to recall another US politician who was $145 million friendly with Russia.

 

As for your assertion about a discredited conspiracy theory, that is flat out FALSE.

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What's wrong with making money from Russians? What's wrong with doing a real estate deal in Moscow? What's wrong with wanting to be friends with Russia? I seem to recall another US politician who was $145 million friendly with Russia.
 
As for your assertion about a discredited conspiracy theory, that is flat out FALSE.


Yeah remember, the ‘80s called, and they want their foreign policy back.

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1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

The inquiry hasn't formally started. That's the big con.

The witnesses that have given evidence dont agree with you.

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