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Yeah, how dare them pesky dems expect him to follow the law and not obstruct justice.


They could impeach him for obstruction of justice, wonder why they don’t...

I guess to Nancy (bluff as she must) it’s not as cut-and-dried as it is to all of yoose guys...
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1 hour ago, RideJocky said:

 


They could impeach him for obstruction of justice, wonder why they don’t...

I guess to Nancy (bluff as she must) it’s not as cut-and-dried as it is to all of yoose guys...

 

Because they are investigating. They put all articles together then vote.

 

But you seem to think they should vote on one thing each time Trump does something. Which is every day.

 

Would at least get repubs doing something in the senate as they refuse to do any voting on bills before them.

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The republican game so far has been to whine that the impeachment inquiry which has indeed been officially started is illegitimate because there wasn't a full house vote to begin it. But they're 100 percent wrong based on facts. (Facts aren't their thing.) That is because there is no rule whatsoever, not in the constitution and not in the current house rules that there NEEDS to be any such vote to begin an official impeachment inquiry. So likely there will never be such a vote about the inquiry. Or there might be if Nancy Pelosi decides for whatever reason to hold it. But eventually there will indeed be a house vote on the actual articles of impeachment once they are finalized. It's almost definite that this impeachment will proceed to having articles, a vote, and a passed house impeachment. But the details and timing are not up to the accused president but rather the democratic controlled house.

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6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

There will be articles.He will be impeached in the house.Conviction in the senate is still very unlikely.

 

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/impeachment-is-the-lesser-evil/2019/10/20/77bd99dc-f1b8-11e9-8693-f487e46784aa_story.html 

 

Why we should impeach and remove President Trump

 

No one has worked more aggressively to trigger impeachment than the president. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and yet, the Dems can't seem to find enough to actually vote on.

Never mind, it keeps them occupied and allows Trump to get on with whatever he's getting on with.

2020 to 2024

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46 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

There will be multiple articles.

One covering Ukrainegate of course. He's confessed.

Likely obstruction of congress.

Possibly an emoluments clause related one. Doral was hardly the only instance. 

As far as whether they will address the approximately ten open obstruction of justice cases detailed by Mueller, that is still an open question but the momentum seems to be that they don't want to complicate it too much, so probably not. 

Likely, possibly, probably not.

The last seems appropriate.

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30 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The republican game so far has been to whine that the impeachment inquiry which has indeed been officially started is illegitimate because there wasn't a full house vote to begin it. But they're 100 percent wrong based on facts. (Facts aren't their thing.) That is because there is no rule whatsoever, not in the constitution and not in the current house rules that there NEEDS to be any such vote to begin an official impeachment inquiry. So likely there will never be such a vote about the inquiry. Or there might be if Nancy Pelosi decides for whatever reason to hold it. But eventually there will indeed be a house vote on the actual articles of impeachment once they are finalized. It's almost definite that this impeachment will proceed to having articles, a vote, and a passed house impeachment. But the details and timing are not up to the accused president but rather the democratic controlled house.

At the rate they are proceeding, seems likely to be 2025 before they get around to having a vote at all, and that's only if they keep the house. Their present behaviour is hardly encouraging voters in middle America to vote for them, IMO.

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It's almost definite that this impeachment will proceed to having articles, a vote, and a passed house impeachment. But the details and timing are not up to the accused president but rather the democratic controlled house.


Yes, the key word being: “almost”


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30 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

At the rate they are proceeding, seems likely to be 2025 before they get around to having a vote at all, and that's only if they keep the house. Their present behaviour is hardly encouraging voters in middle America to vote for them, IMO.

As usual 'IMO' in your case is ridiculously biased towards Trump, despite many posters here educating you to how impeachment works and what Trump is going to be impeached for.

So let me be the next one to also lend a helping hand regarding the 'rate of proceedings'.

Ken Starr investigated Bill Clinton for 4 years before he eventually impeached Clinton. Starr was initially appointed to investigate the suicide of deputy White House counsel Vince Foster and the Whitewater real estate investments of Bill Clinton but since they were just a bunch of the usual GOP conspiracy theories, he eventually ended up impeaching over lying about giving Monica a bit of Billy sausage during a sworn deposition. The impeachment was initiated in October 1998 with the actual trial hitting the Senate in January 1999.

My guess is that formal impeachment will happen by the end of the year for Trump and he will go on trial in the Senate some time around April/May of next year - plenty of time before the elections for him to either fall on his sword or for Republican Senators to grow a pair and get him out. 

What won't happen is for it to be dragged out 'to 2025' as you put it as it needs to be done soon and lets admit it, they've got plenty to go on even now. 

 

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How is the coup going?  Looks to me like it's fizzling out.  
 


If only that pesky Trump would cooperate!!!
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4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

That is because there is no rule whatsoever, not in the constitution and not in the current house rules that there NEEDS to be any such vote to begin an official impeachment inquiry.

And there is no rule whatsoever in the Constitution or in the Senate rules that the Senate must hold a trial.  Why would they?

 

Because if Nancy does not have an initial vote, the house Republicans and Independents are denied the power to investigate.  Thus the Senate will reject the whole thing as a complete and utter partisan political sham because the Constitution gives the whole house, not the democrats, the power to impeach.

 

Anyway, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court will be there as presiding judge. I hear he is not too happy.

 

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