U.S. House to launch Trump impeachment inquiry over Ukraine controversy

[bendejo]

4 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Actually, the Wall Street Journal first reported that it was the Ukraine.

Still, I want to see the actual report that is supposed to be released to Congress, not some article that is based on it, or a synopsis, a goddam summary or a report with stuff blacked out.  Enough of all this hiding and deflecting.

 

 

[roobaa01]

54 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

This is nothing more than another soon-to-be-failed Dem tactic.  Impeachment attempts will fail, too.  How many nothing-burgers do people need to eat before they finally realize they're being played and have been played from the get-go?  LOL

would we call such a person "deep state" political biased mole, spying on the president. the spying saga continues after the dirty steele ,maccape, romney, klapper, ohr etc. 

 

wbr

roobaa01

[SometimezaGreatNotion]

"The intelligence community’s chief watchdog, Michael Atkinson [Intelligence Community Inspector General], is known to his peers and colleagues as a highly cautious “straight shooter”... So when [Atkinson] sounded the alarm to Congress earlier this month about an “urgent” complaint he’d received from an intelligence official involving Trump’s communications, those who’ve worked with him were surprised — and took it seriously."

 

"There’s no evidence Atkinson is a political partisan in either direction — a search of campaign finance records, for instance, finds no evidence that he’s ever donated to a candidate."

 

"Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire has refused to share the substance of the whistleblower’s complaint with Congress, as is normally required by law after the IG [Atkinson] determines that the complaint is of “urgent concern.”

 

So, regardless of whether Trump is culpable, TRUMP'S ACTING DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE JOSEPH MAGUIRE HAS BROKEN THE LAW.

 

"At a closed-door briefing with the House Intelligence Committee last week, Atkinson stonewalled Democrats’ attempts to get answers — but only, he said, because his hands were tied by the Justice Department’s opinion, which was that the complaint “did not concern allegations of conduct by a member of the intelligence community” or an intelligence activity under ODNI’s supervision and is therefore outside the ODNI’s purview ... Whistleblower experts say Maguire doesn’t have the authority to overrule Atkinson, but effectively tied the inspector general’s hands when he involved the Justice Department."

 

Note that Atkinson disagrees with the Justice Department decision. Trump team again using shady legal tactics to hide information. No surprise there.

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/23/atkinson-trump-ukraine-whistleblower-scandal-1508594

[Tippaporn]

20 minutes ago, SometimezaGreatNotion said:

"The intelligence community’s chief watchdog, Michael Atkinson [Intelligence Community Inspector General], is known to his peers and colleagues as a highly cautious “straight shooter”... So when [Atkinson] sounded the alarm to Congress earlier this month about an “urgent” complaint he’d received from an intelligence official involving Trump’s communications, those who’ve worked with him were surprised — and took it seriously."

 

"There’s no evidence Atkinson is a political partisan in either direction — a search of campaign finance records, for instance, finds no evidence that he’s ever donated to a candidate."

 

"Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire has refused to share the substance of the whistleblower’s complaint with Congress, as is normally required by law after the IG [Atkinson] determines that the complaint is of “urgent concern.”

 

So, regardless of whether Trump is culpable, TRUMP'S ACTING DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE JOSEPH MAGUIRE HAS BROKEN THE LAW.

 

"At a closed-door briefing with the House Intelligence Committee last week, Atkinson stonewalled Democrats’ attempts to get answers — but only, he said, because his hands were tied by the Justice Department’s opinion, which was that the complaint “did not concern allegations of conduct by a member of the intelligence community” or an intelligence activity under ODNI’s supervision and is therefore outside the ODNI’s purview ... Whistleblower experts say Maguire doesn’t have the authority to overrule Atkinson, but effectively tied the inspector general’s hands when he involved the Justice Department."

 

Note that Atkinson disagrees with the Justice Department decision. Trump team again using shady legal tactics to hide information. No surprise there.

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/23/atkinson-trump-ukraine-whistleblower-scandal-1508594

From Reuters:

 

But a Sept. 13 letter to the House panel and the Senate Intelligence Committee asserted that acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire - after consulting with the Justice Department - found that the complaint did not meet the legal definition of "urgent concern."

 

In the letter, Jason Klitenic, general counsel in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, also said the complaint was not subject to disclosure because it did not concern conduct by an intelligence official or an intelligence activity overseen by the DNI, as required by the law.

 

"Furthermore, because the complaint involves confidential and potentially privileged communications by persons outside the Intelligence Community, the DNI lacks unilateral authority to transmit such materials to the intelligence committees," he wrote.

 

We will have to wait for the transcripts before this becomes another dead end for the Dems.

 

This is just another political fabrication to pin something, anything on Trump because the Dems need justification to proceed with impeachment.  The Dems will do anything and everything in their power to try and prevent spygate from becoming public.  Lots of people have lots to lose.  Trump haters have been played.

[JimmyTheMook]

Gonna waste more taxpayers money on another democratic witch hunt, Pelosi should be forced to work a real job for once in her life.

 

 

[ballpoint]

The full, unredacted transcript of Trump's call will be released shortly.

[4675636b596f75]

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Something the "trump" fans might not be factoring into this equation. With this formal impeachment process much more information we don't already know will be coming out into the light. Not only about Ukraine. That was the tipping point but really the tip of the iceberg. If "trump" fans actually believe their man is clean and not the criminally corrupt con man he has clearly been for several decades then they can relax.

Sure, let's pull Mueller's one foot in the grave, out for another appearance.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

Sure, let's pull Mueller's one foot in the grave, out for another appearance.

Mueller's scope was actually rather NARROW. 

[4675636b596f75]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Mueller's scope was actually rather NARROW. 

Sure, that is also not true.  Ask Manafort who was convicted of crimes that had 0 to do with Donald Trump.

[Jingthing]

Just now, 4675636b596f75 said:

Sure, that is also not true.  Ask Manafort who was convicted of crimes that had 0 to do with Donald Trump.

It is true. It was about Russian involvement in the 2016 election by anyone including of course Russians and people that lied to federal prosecutors were collateral damage. There are a lot of other areas that could be subject to investigation. 

[Jingthing]

BTW -- the Ukraine affair is NOT a nothing burger. "trump" stinks of guilt. 

[4675636b596f75]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

It is true. It was about Russian involvement in the 2016 election by anyone including of course Russians and people that lied to federal prosecutors were collateral damage. There are a lot of other areas that could be subject to investigation. 

Prove it.

Show me the charges and the involvement of the 2016 campaign.  

 

If not, please close you gob and stop spreading #fakenews

 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

Prove it.

Show me the charges and the involvement of the 2016 campaign.  

 

If not, please close you gob and stop spreading #fakenews

 

Read the Mueller report. If you're talking only about "trump" yes it is well known that Mueller couldn't prove collusion with Russia but did detail about ten counts of obstruction of justice that he punted on. I can see you're at a very high intellectual level with your fakenews garbage attack. It really sounds like you know almost nothing about the Mueller report so I suggest you do some research about that if you wish to post intelligently about it on this forum. I won't do that work for you. Sorry. 

[4675636b596f75]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Read the Mueller report. If you're talking only about "trump" yes it is well known that Mueller couldn't prove collusion with Russia but did detail about ten counts of obstruction of justice that he punted on. I can see you're at a very high intellectual level with your fakenews garbage attack. It really sounds like you know almost nothing about the Mueller report so I suggest you do some research about that if you wish to post intelligently about it on this forum. I won't do that work for you. Sorry. 

I didn't ask about the Mueller report.  I asked you to provide the charging documents used by the Prosecuter and courts to railroad him.

 

You put it out there.  You were wrong.  Now you won't put up.

 

You now know what to do.

 

 

[Becker]

7 minutes ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

Prove it.

Show me the charges and the involvement of the 2016 campaign.  

 

If not, please close you gob and stop spreading #fakenews

 

How wonderful. A base Trump supporter accusing others of spreading fake news.

BTW, you don't get to tell anyone on this forum to close his "gob", understand?

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

I didn't ask about the Mueller report.  I asked you to provide the charging documents used by the Prosecuter and courts to railroad him.

 

You put it out there.  You were wrong.  Now you won't put up.

 

You now know what to do.

 

 

You're shamelessly deflecting. You're baiting with abandon. I'm not interested in engaging with any members at such a gutter level so -- GOODBYE.

 

To add I am happy with having civil discussions with political opponents that are willing to post in good faith. 

 

Others -- life is too short. 

[4675636b596f75]

Just now, Becker said:

How wonderful. A base Trump supporter accusing others of spreading fake news.

BTW, you don't get to tell anyone on this forum to close his "gob", understand?

You don't tell me what to do, "understand?"  

 

He claimed Manafort was convicted of things that had to do with the 2016 campaign.

 

That is 100 percent false.

 

Untrue.

 

It's a 100 percent prevarication.

[4675636b596f75]

Just now, Jingthing said:

You're shamelessly deflecting. You're baiting with abandon. I'm not interested in engaging with any members at such a gutter level so -- GOODBYE.

You were challenged on your statement and instead of defending it, or being a mensch and admitting wrong, you run.

 

Ok - run along then.

[Jingthing]

To clarify. Obviously if other crimes were discovered not directly related to the scope they would still be chargeable. I implied that already by mentioning the crime of lying to a federal prosecutor. For example if they had discovered a murder in the course of investigation of the Russian angle the murder would not be exempt.

 

 

But the scope was still rather narrow. For example violations of the emoluments clause were not in the scope.

 

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-powers-and-limits-of-robert-muellers-new-job-as-special-counsel/

 

Q. What will Mueller do as special counsel?

 

A. Mueller is supposed to carry on the investigation that former FBI Director James Comey told Congress about before he was fired by President Donald Trump. That includes any links between Trump campaign associates and Russia, as well as "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation," according to the letter appointing him.

 

 

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[4675636b596f75]

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

To clarify. Obviously if other crimes were discovered not directly related to the scope they would still be chargeable. I implied that already by mentioning the crime of lying to a federal prosecutor. For example if they had discovered a murder in the course of investigation of the Russian angle the murder would not be exempt.
Q. What will Mueller do as special counsel?
A. Mueller is supposed to carry on the investigation that former FBI Director James Comey told Congress about before he was fired by President Donald Trump. That includes any links between Trump campaign associates and Russia, as well as "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation," according to the letter appointing him.

Nice try at obfuscation.  You said he was indicted for 2016 campaign related crimes.

 

That's not true is it? 

 

I thought you were running along.   Run along now.

[BobBKK]

5 hours ago, bristolboy said:

The question isn't whether Hunter Biden was paid for being the son of Joseph Biden. The question is whether Biden used his influence to get his son the job or to apply pressure to the prosecutor to get him to back off the case. For the former no one has produced any evidence and for the latter there is strong evidence that it's not the case.

The pressure was implicit, the connection is implicit and the channeling of millions and millions to the VP son is the Elephant in the room. Then get rid of the prosecutor investigating?

 

Apart from all that the Ukraine government said no pressure applied. This is yet another false trail aka Russiagate, Mullergate and all the rest. If this fails what next?  Trump in league with Aliens?

[4675636b596f75]

Just now, BobBKK said:

The pressure was implicit, the connection is implicit and the channeling of millions and millions to the VP son is the Elephant in the room. Then get rid of the prosecutor investigating?

 

Apart from all that the Ukraine government said no pressure applied. This is yet another false trail aka Russiagate, Mullergate and all the rest. If this fails what next?  Trump in league with Aliens?

One thing all these accusations have in common, is that they are not fiction.  They have all be perpetrated by Democrats.  The MO is then pinned on Trump.

 

Criminals.

[BobBKK]

3 hours ago, candide said:

Fake news again! ????

He was paid as much as $50,000 per month.

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/24/763502822/what-were-the-bidens-doing-in-ukraine-5-questions-answered?t=1569393084922

Yea you're right it was pure coincidence that Dad was visiting Ukraine and son got a job there too.  After all Biden's son was in love with Ukraine right?  "Dad it's been my dream to work in Ukraine since I was 5 years old"  as for 50k "reportedly" just wait for the China gig to explode.

[BobBKK]

6 hours ago, Farangwithaplan said:

The phone call in itself when viewed in isolation is not the issue. You also need to take into account why Trump's team secretly held back promised Ukrainian funding in the days leading up to that phone call. With a Country like the Ukraine on its knees after being invaded by Russia, it needs all the support it can get.

 

Look at the phone call in context and tell us if you still do not see an issue.

 

I don't see any issue. Trump withheld many payments to many countries it's part of his platform.

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

BTW -- the Ukraine affair is NOT a nothing burger. "trump" stinks of guilt. 

The Ukraine affair is a nothing burger for Trump but it's got a whole lot of meat for Biden.

[4675636b596f75]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The Ukraine affair is a nothing burger for Trump but it's got a whole lot of meat for Biden.

Is this why the climate change loons want to ban cows?

[Tippaporn]

5 hours ago, BobBKK said:

You think Biden's son was paid millions for his 'expertise' right?  lol

 

3 hours ago, candide said:

Fake news again! ????

He was paid as much as $50,000 per month.

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/24/763502822/what-were-the-bidens-doing-in-ukraine-5-questions-answered?t=1569393084922

Biden was paid $50,000/month for a 5-year stint on the board which started in 2014 and ended in April of this year.  Do the math.

 

Peter Schweizer, head of the Government Accountability Institute and Breitbart News‘ senior editor-at-large, said that Hunter Biden received millions of dollars while his veep father directed $1.8 billion in aid to Ukraine.

 

“He steered $1.8 billion in aid to that government and while he was doing so, his son got a sweetheart deal with this energy company – that we’ve been able to trace over just a 14-month period – paid $3.1 million into an account where Hunter Biden was getting paid.”

 

So, no, not fake news.  Jeez, it's amazing how misinformed some people on this board are.  I guess the misinformation fits into what they want to believe.

 

Of course we haven't factored in any amounts Biden gained from his deals in China.  Amazing that so many here simply aren't interested in pursuing the Biden scandal.  Substitute Don, Jr. or Eric Trump and Donald Trump for Hunter and Joe Biden in this scenario and I would guarantee that these same people would be demanding answers.  It's such a joke to see so many people getting played.

[olfu]

well...my 2 cents--rich people fight for power and money--end of the story.

[JemJem]

Folks, don't you also think that most probably the Dem. candidates other than Biden are really unhappy about this development ? I am saying this because even if this impeachment stuff doesn't get anywhere, all this will help sustain (and maybe even increase) Biden's popularity (as you know, he has had the lead in the Dem. polls for quite some time) due to him being seen as sort of a victim.

[riclag]

6 hours ago, roobaa01 said:

since the dem ship of fools sailed by accident into congress power, they have been trying impeachment in vain 1. cohen and dean testimony bust 2. mueller report and testimony bust.

3. russian collusion delusion hoax but 4. racsim hoax bust 5. recession hoax bust.

 

now impeachment procedures based on a substantiated whistleblower hearsay report that will backfire, or wasn't the whistleblower politically biased ??? anyway damage to the dems is as usual self-inflicted thks also the dems duo stan laurel schiff and oliver hardy nadler. soon the released phone trancript trump and zelansky will expose once again dems trums derangement syndrom. thereto lots of biden ukrain dirt will come up.

 

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roobaa01

" A senior Trump administration official told Fox News late Tuesday that the administration will release a document showing the intelligence community inspector general found the whistleblower who leveled an explosive accusation against President Trump concerning his talks with Ukraine had “political bias” in favor of “a rival candidate” of the president".

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry-whistleblower-complaint-release-congress-white-house

 

 _{Intel Inspector General Found Whistleblower Had ‘Bias’ In Favor Of ‘Rival Candidate’ Of Trump, Report Says...}

https://www.dailywire.com/news/52200/bombshell-intel-inspector-general-found-ryan-saavedra

 

Also its worth mentioning this so called bias whistleblower had no first hand knowledge of the phone call.