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A wonderful article that presents a very fair and balanced view about why the MSM doesn't want to

talk about the Biden's activities in Ukraine...like most of the anti trump crowd here.

 

Key Point: Raising concerns over Hunter Biden does not mean you are excusing Trump’s actions.

 

Another snippet that stood out for me: 

"A stepson of former Secretary of State John Kerry also was asked to serve as a director (of BURISMA) but reportedly declined and warned Hunter Biden not to do it; Biden didn’t listen. He later told The New Yorker that “the decisions that I made were the right decisions for my family and for me.”

 

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/465520-he-who-must-not-be-named-how-hunter-biden-became-a-conversation-stopper

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2 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

Please do a little more reading about exactly what USA's role was in Syria.  They were fighting ISIS which was/is certainly a terrorist threat.  ISIS was able to carve out a territory partially because of the Syrian civil war.  USA was not very active in the Syrian war except when Bashar al-Assad used chemical weapons.

 

For starters you might find it illuminating to read *THIS* or watch/listen to Fareed Zakaria's interview with Susan Rice on his weekly GPS show.

I think I'm fairly up on what is going on in that area of the world. IMO America should not get involved there as it is too complicated, and whatever they do is probably going to have unintended consequences. Far better to have kept US troops out of it, and supplied Kurdish forces with the means to defeat IS.

IMO the Kurds are the only force that is trustworthy and not going to turn US weapons against the US in the future.

 

BTW, the IS, like the Taliban, isn't going away, so unless the US was prepared to remain in Syria indefinitely, it was always going to end badly for someone.

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30 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I think I'm fairly up on what is going on in that area of the world. IMO America should not get involved there as it is too complicated, and whatever they do is probably going to have unintended consequences. Far better to have kept US troops out of it, and supplied Kurdish forces with the means to defeat IS.

IMO the Kurds are the only force that is trustworthy and not going to turn US weapons against the US in the future.

 

BTW, the IS, like the Taliban, isn't going away, so unless the US was prepared to remain in Syria indefinitely, it was always going to end badly for someone.

I agree with almost everything you wrote.  But, I feel strongly that the troop deployment to Syria was correct.  Their role was primarily training, air support and providing intelligence.  Their orders were to restrict direct fighting to defensive operations.  A total of 8 US soldiers were killed in Syria and I mourn for each one.

 

I think the effectiveness of the Kurdish force was significantly improved by the physical presence of the US forces.  Their deployment also deterred the aggression by the Turks that is now taking place.

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2 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

I agree with almost everything you wrote.  But, I feel strongly that the troop deployment to Syria was correct.  Their role was primarily training, air support and providing intelligence.  Their orders were to restrict direct fighting to defensive operations.  A total of 8 US soldiers were killed in Syria and I mourn for each one.

 

I think the effectiveness of the Kurdish force was significantly improved by the physical presence of the US forces.  Their deployment also deterred the aggression by the Turks that is now taking place.

Fair enough, but the Americans can't stay there forever, and the Turks are always going to want to destroy the Kurds.

The only real solution is for the Kurds to be given a homeland, but so long as Turkey is in NATO that isn't going to happen.

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Can a president be charged for that sort of thing? If they could, there are several previous presidents that would have been charged.


Uhhh, not if they were democrats...
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It had nothing to do with any war, it was a campaign promise.  He now says that all of the troops have been removed from Syria which is another out right lie.  There are still a little over 1000 of the most combat ready troops still there.  One lie after another, on and on and on and.....!!!  Whether he is reelected or not, the lies will continue until he kicks the bucket.


Yes, all of the sudden the dems are war hawks...
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26 minutes ago, RideJocky said:

 


Yes, all of the sudden the dems are war hawks...

The troops weren't fighting a war, they were preventing one.  Approximately 50 US troops in Syria helping Kurdish fighters along the Turkey border served as a trip wire.  Turkey would not invade while they were there.  As soon as Trump pulled the troops out Turkey invaded and is in the process of routing the only capable ally we had in the region.

 

Want another reason why Trump's pull-out was a bad idea?

 

" Adding to the turmoil Sunday, hundreds of Islamic State families and supporters escaped from a holding camp in Syria amid the fighting between Turkish forces and the Kurds. "  https://news.yahoo.com/turkish-media-forces-capture-town-081635141.html

 

If Trump wanted to keep a campaign promise, he should have focused on getting Mexico to pay for the wall.  That was his greatest hit on the campaign trail.

 

This is actually marginally on-topic.  This bone-headed move by Trump could give Senate Republicans political cover to vote to convict Trump in his upcoming impeachment.

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On 10/13/2019 at 1:03 AM, wayned said:

When they draw up articles of impeachment they should add one for Premeditated Murder.  That's what he is doing by abandoning the Kurds in Northern Syria to fulfil a campaign promise!

more conspiracy theories, now your dishing murder!

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1 hour ago, riclag said:

more conspiracy theories, now your dishing murder!

Given Trump's ignorance, a more apt charge would be negligent homicide (genocide?).

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Let's get real here. 45 committed a huge foreign policy mistake throwing the Kurds under the bus that will have negative consequences well into the future as far as persuading groups in the future to ally with us. However obviously disastrous foreign policies per se can't generally be impeachable offenses. They could be war crimes but the U.S. isn't doing the murdering directly. By pulling out the murder is a predictable result but that's not the same thing legally, Morally and ethically is another matter. It's horrible!

 

There could be exceptions where foreign policy moves could suggest the need for impeachment. It would depend on degree. Such as bombing a random country because the president didn't like a tweet. That would definitely show unfitness to serve as president.  Some might argue throwing the Kurds under the bus is similar. It's probably getting there but that's  a judgement call. 

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