U.S. House to launch Trump impeachment inquiry over Ukraine controversy

[bristolboy 18,041]

Just now, Crazy Alex said:

Of course he says Biden is a crook! Biden's kid scored a cush gig in Ukraine right after getting kicked out of the Navy for being a drug addict. Hunter got his gig right after Joe was put in charge of affairs with Ukraine.

 

In fact, it appears the walls were closing in on Hunter and Shokin was looking to question Hunter Biden when Joe Biden got him fired via extortion (emphasis added):

 

"The controversy ignited anew earlier this year when I disclosed that Joe Biden admitted during a 2018 videotaped speech that, as vice president in March 2016, he threatened to cancel $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, to pressure Ukraine’s then-President Petro Poroshenko to fire Shokin.

 

"At the time, Shokin’s office was investigating Burisma. Shokin told me he was making plans to question Hunter Biden about $3 million in fees that Biden and his partner, Archer, collected from Burisma through their American firm. Documents seized by the FBI in an unrelated case confirm the payments, which in many months totaled more than $166,000."

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story

 

Yeah, how dare Trump call Biden a crook!

John Solomon is pretty much alone in his version of what happened.

Shokin's deputy said the investigation had been dropped over a year before Biden asked for him to be dismissed. The Ukrainian parliament embers overwhelmingly said the same wanted him dismissed. He hadn't managed to bring an indictment against any of the suspected members of Ukraine's kleptocracy. Poroshenko was protecting him.

Shokin did pursue some anti-corruption investigations. One as against a major anti-corruption NGO. Another was against prosecutors who were prosecuting some of Shokin's investigators after a large number of valuable jewels were found in their possession. 

So no, at the time of Biden's call, Shokin wasn't investigating Burisma. 

[bristolboy 18,041]

3 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

It doesn't matter "what's very clear" to you. What matters are facts and evidence. Asking Ukraine to "find out what happened" is NOT the words of someone instructing Ukraine to find dirt. The words speak for themselves and you really have little to no wiggle room.

Such nonsense. Given Trump's past form and disregard for facts, you think he's going to accept an investigation that results in no finding of criminality? When has Trump ever backed down from accusations like this?

[bristolboy 18,041]

21 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

No. Not nonsense. Biden's words speak for themselves. And given how Ukraine has been trying to give the US evidence of US corruption there, it's entirely appropriate for the president to ask them to find out what happened.

 

Here is a partial list of what the Ukrainians say they have:

 

• Sworn statements from two Ukrainian officials admitting that their agency tried to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election in favor of Hillary Clinton. The effort included leaking an alleged ledger showing payments to then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort;
   
• Contacts between Democratic figures in Washington and Ukrainian officials that involved passing along dirt on Donald Trump;
   
• Financial records showing a Ukrainian natural gas company routed more than $3 million to American accounts tied to Hunter Biden, younger son of then-Vice President Joe Biden, who managed U.S.-Ukraine relations for the Obama administration. Biden’s son served on the board of a Ukrainian natural gas company, Burisma Holdings;
   
• Records that Vice President Biden pressured Ukrainian officials in March 2016 to fire the prosecutor who oversaw an investigation of Burisma Holdings and who planned to interview Hunter Biden about the financial transfers;
   
• Correspondence showing members of the State Department and U.S. Embassy in Kiev interfered or applied pressure in criminal cases on Ukrainian soil;
   
• Disbursements of as much as $7 billion in Ukrainian funds that prosecutors believe may have been misappropriated or taken out of the country, including to the United States.

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/437719-ukrainian-to-us-prosecutors-why-dont-you-want-our-evidence-on-democrats

So many falsehoods there that have been repeatedly addressed that it's not worth bothering with any more.

[heybruce 16,727]

25 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

There's nothing wrong with asking a country with which we have a treaty to cooperate in criminal matters to look into a criminal matter. Biden's bragging about extorting Ukraine, along with the timing of Hunter Biden scoring that cush gig after daddy was put in charge, is cause enough to "find out what happened". Of course, "find out what happened" isn't a request or demand to dig up dirt- contrary to the repeated claims of leftists.

And Trump's bragging about all the money he's made from Russian's, negotiating a real estate deal with Moscow while running his "let's be friends with Russia" campaign, defiance of precedent and not releasing his tax returns, etc., is cause enough to find out what is going on.

 

President's Zelensky's request for military aid, bet with a "do us a favor" response followed by a request for an investigation of discredited conspiracy theories is a request for illegal campaign help.

[Opl 4,636]

16 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

It doesn't matter "what's very clear" to you. What matters are facts and evidence. Asking Ukraine to "find out what happened" is NOT the words of someone instructing Ukraine to find dirt. The words speak for themselves and you really have little to no wiggle room.

 

"Trump and his lawyer were working against the United States in Ukraine, and after the arrest of Giuliani’s associates, it is clear whose interests they were advancing along with Trump’s. The Ukrainians who Trump has been defending in this scandal are corrupt allies of Putin. "

the President Of The United States and his lawyer were working against stated US government policy and trying to corrupt a foreign government to help Trump win a second term in office.

[Jingthing 65,816]

24 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

So many falsehoods there that have been repeatedly addressed that it's not worth bothering with any more.

Of course but 45's defense as he moves through the impeachment process is like to go full on Benghazi with such diversionary talking points.

[Jingthing 65,816]

Let's wait for the formal articles of impeachment which are coming probably by the end of the year. Then we can get into trial mode as it moves to the senate. One article that will be impossible to credibly defend will be obstruction of congress.

Edited October 14, 2019 by Scott

[Scott 15,710]

Off-topic, nonsensical troll posts and replies removed along with a post violating Fair Use Policy.  

 

Stay on topic or face a suspension.  

 

[Scott 15,710]

This is the final WARNING to stop with the trolling and baiting.   Asking nonsensical questions in order to deflect from the discussion is trolling.  

 

You have been warned.  

 

[johnnybangkok 4,287]

11 hours ago, bristolboy said:

So many falsehoods there that have been repeatedly addressed that it's not worth bothering with any more.

Not sure why you’re engaging with this one. A VERY provocative avatar, equally provocative name, brand new to the site but seems to be on every Trump related discussion regurgitating every conspiracy theory out there? Looks highly suspicious don’t you think?

 

[JHolmesJr 10,965]

"Let's just stay very focused on impeachment, okay?"

Jeff Zucker, President, CNN from the devastating CNN

whistleblower video. Now that's a whistleblower. Unafraid

to show his face. Nothing to hide.

 

Makes it so clear to understand why the impeachment

drums are always beating hard and fast.

[bristolboy 18,041]

2 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

"Let's just stay very focused on impeachment, okay?"

Jeff Zucker, President, CNN from the devastating CNN

whistleblower video. Now that's a whistleblower. Unafraid

to show his face. Nothing to hide.

 

Makes it so clear to understand why the impeachment

drums are always beating hard and fast.

That was Jeff Zucker setting the news agenda for the day. That's all. And anyone interested in revealing the truth wouldn't give the tapes to Project Veritas which has a long history of misleadingly editing videos. If this whistleblower is so honest, let him release all the tapes he has for everyone to access.

Edited October 15, 2019 by bristolboy

[JHolmesJr 10,965]

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

That was Jeff Zucker setting the news agenda for the day. That's all. And anyone interested in revealing the truth wouldn't give the tapes to Project Veritas which has a long history of misleadingly editing recording. If this whistleblower is so honest, let him release all the tapes he has for everyone to access.

 

There was no misleading editing I saw. The employees looked pretty resigned 

to the direction that was being forced on them from above. Some probably

even relished it. The whole idea was to show CNN's agenda which they've always denied

and wrapped up in a generic nonsense label of 'following the facts'.

 

He's shot about 100 hours of footage....I think you can review all the tapes if

you apply to Veritas as a film editor. 

 

[FritsSikkink 11,110]

Going to be an interesting week:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/impeachment-inquiry-deadlines-for-rudy-giuliani-mike-pence-hearings/ar-AAILCs6?ocid=spartandhp

 

[Scott 15,710]

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