U.S. House to launch Trump impeachment inquiry over Ukraine controversy

[thaibeachlovers 21,545]

On 10/14/2019 at 11:40 PM, Jingthing said:

You're joking right? Mueller didn't open his mouth for years. Don’t stress. 45 already impeached himself. What's going on now is about packaging.

Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

Impeachment without conviction does not change anything. Didn't make any difference to Clinton. In my recollection the most unpopular man as result was Starr.

IMO the only way to get rid of Trump is to find a candidate that middle America will vote for.

Edited October 15 by thaibeachlovers

[wayned 5,697]

19 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Impeachment without conviction does not change anything. Didn't make any difference to Clinton. In my recollection the most unpopular man as result was Starr.

IMO the only way to get rid of Trump is to find a candidate that middle America will vote for.

I think that Pelosi realizes this and it is why she held off endorsing the impeachment inquiry until other members of the house "convinced" her too.  What she is now hoping is that there will be enough evidence of Trump's abuse of power that, even if the Senate doesn't remove him, it will sway some of the folks in middle America to not vote for Trump.  It's a big gamble, nut what's the other choice now that the inquiry is formally started.

[thaibeachlovers 21,545]

33 minutes ago, wayned said:

I think that Pelosi realizes this and it is why she held off endorsing the impeachment inquiry until other members of the house "convinced" her too.  What she is now hoping is that there will be enough evidence of Trump's abuse of power that, even if the Senate doesn't remove him, it will sway some of the folks in middle America to not vote for Trump.  It's a big gamble, nut what's the other choice now that the inquiry is formally started.

Agree, but the folks in middle America are not going to vote for an old white man that has skeletons in the closet, or an extreme leftist that used a falsehood to advance herself.

They need another Bernie, or a Jack Kennedy, but so far they ain't showing up. Probably because they don't want to lose to Trump, IMO.

Pelosi's nightmare must be that they manage to convict Trump and Pence wins on the backlash. 

Edited October 15 by thaibeachlovers

[Kelsall 1,907]

Lindsay Graham just said in an interview that if Pelosi succeeds in impeaching the President on the phone call, it will be dead as soon as it reaches the Senate..

[stevenl 19,342]

33 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Lindsay Graham just said in an interview that if Pelosi succeeds in impeaching the President on the phone call, it will be dead as soon as it reaches the Senate..

He doesn't know what has been discovered already and what is still being discovered.

Also don't forget he is one of the senators who wholeheartedly supports Trump, many others are doing this only half-heartedly.

[wayned 5,697]

2 hours ago, Kelsall said:

Lindsay Graham just said in an interview that if Pelosi succeeds in impeaching the President on the phone call, it will be dead as soon as it reaches the Senate..

Lindsey Graham is a big bag of wind that changes his tune every time Trump farts and blows his puckered lips away from his a**!  "I thought that you wanted me to kiss the right cheek, now it's the left"

[Kelsall 1,907]

Pelosi and Schiff just held a press conference where Pelosi announced she doesn't have the votes for the inquiry. 

 

This whole thing is a nothing burger.

[stevenl 19,342]

1 minute ago, Kelsall said:

Pelosi and Schiff just held a press conference where Pelosi announced she doesn't have the votes for the inquiry. 

 

This whole thing is a nothing burger.

No. She announced she will not vote on it now. Your claim is a blatant lie.

[canuckamuck 27,411]

12 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Pelosi and Schiff just held a press conference where Pelosi announced she doesn't have the votes for the inquiry. 

 

This whole thing is a nothing burger.

SHH let the kids believe in Santa Claus.

It keeps them from winning elections.

[wayned 5,697]

12 minutes ago, stevenl said:

No. She announced she will not vote on it now. Your claim is a blatant lie.

She doesn't ever have to call for a vote on an impeachment inquiry, she only has to call for a vote to impeach the president if/when articles of impeachment are drawn up.  They aren't there yet! 

[Eric Loh 12,980]

3 hours ago, Kelsall said:

Pelosi and Schiff just held a press conference where Pelosi announced she doesn't have the votes for the inquiry. 

 

This whole thing is a nothing burger.

Those republicans must be pulling their hairs out that Pelosi and Schiff simply treat their request for votes as a nothing burger. They must be cursing themselves for their own shenanigans in 2015 and giving the Dems the power to ignore them. Karma is a bitch. Ouch.

[thaibeachlovers 21,545]

55 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Those republicans must be pulling their hairs out that Pelosi and Schiff simply treat their request for votes as a nothing burger. They must be cursing themselves for their own shenanigans in 2015 and giving the Dems the power to ignore them. Karma is a bitch. Ouch.

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Can you explain please?

[thaibeachlovers 21,545]

4 hours ago, Kelsall said:

Pelosi and Schiff just held a press conference where Pelosi announced she doesn't have the votes for the inquiry. 

 

This whole thing is a nothing burger.

They probably, IMO, don't believe that an impeachment will result in a conviction so the plan, IMO, is to spin it out for as long as possible, and keep talking about it, to try and convince some that there is actually some there there.

As long as they don't have a vote, they don't have to produce any actual evidence. 

[johnnybangkok 2,369]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Can you explain please?

Before 2015, most House subpoenas needed at least some bipartisan cover, but in 2015 House Republicans changed the rules and allowed the committee chairmen to proceed unilaterally, able to issue subpoenas without consulting the minority party. The Democrats vehemently objected to this at the time and witnessed the GOP wielding this new rule dozens of times against President Barack Obama’s agencies. However the shoe is now on the other foot and the Democrats can thank the GOP for a rule change that is going to haunt Trump. 

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/28/house-republicans-subpoena-trump-943265

Edited October 16 by johnnybangkok

[johnnybangkok 2,369]

Former White House official bolsters the Trump-Ukraine whistleblower’s allegations

 

https://www.vox.com/2019/10/15/20915579/trump-impeachment-ukraine-fiona-hill-whistleblower

 

The noose is tightening!