sanemax Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 12 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said: They are waitresses. What's the problem with 16 year old waitresses? I see often street food vendors with (their) children working there. Maybe they help preparing the food, maybe they wash the plates, maybe the poor drinks for the customers. Should that all be illegal? Prostitution is illegal in Thailand. And if any of the staff would go with a customer then that is obviously illegal. It seems for some people there is no such thing as teenage workers who are not prostitutes. Maybe their fantasy is the main problem here. It is quite probable that they were not just working as waitress's As you previously posted that you meet your partner in a bar when she was working in a bar when she was 16 , you would be quite aware that some 16 year olds working in bars arent just serving drinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb17 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: Are you sure they have such a license? OneMoreFarang - you sound like a truly excellent fellow - standing up for the rights of young people working in Karaoke bars ( knocking shops) - well done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, sanemax said: It is quite probable that they were not just working as waitress's As you previously posted that you meet your partner in a bar when she was working in a bar when she was 16 , you would be quite aware that some 16 year olds working in bars arent just serving drinks Yes, some aren't. But some do. It's like one poster here saying all pretties are prostitutes. I don't think so. And I don't think that all waitresses are prostitutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, peterb17 said: OneMoreFarang - you sound like a truly excellent fellow - standing up for the rights of young people working in Karaoke bars ( knocking shops) - well done Maybe it's hard for you to believe. But there are actually karaoke bars which are not prostitution places. There are also lots of massage places which actually offer Thai traditional massage and nothing else. And of course their are prostitution places. If prostitution happens then there are laws against that. Let the police enforce them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 12 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said: Yes, some aren't. But some do. It's like one poster here saying all pretties are prostitutes. I don't think so. And I don't think that all waitresses are prostitutes. Neither do I think that all waitresses are prostitutes , but any girl working in a sex industry venue, is highly likely to be doing other things, rather than just serving drinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Bill Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Have I missed the point? These bars were raided because the girls were regarded as "trafficked child entertainers" and now the Tourism Minister is suggesting school children become tour guides in Bangkok Temples to improve their language skills!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 12 hours ago, Burma Bill said: Have I missed the point? These bars were raided because the girls were regarded as "trafficked child entertainers" and now the Tourism Minister is suggesting school children become tour guides in Bangkok Temples to improve their language skills!! Yes, you missed the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Bill Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, sanemax said: Yes, you missed the point Perhaps not - exposure to sex predators! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 12 hours ago, Burma Bill said: Perhaps not - exposure to sex predators! Its quite unlikely that sex predators are going to hire a tour guide hoping that they are underage and even if they were , being in a temple is quite a safe environment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olfu Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 When I walk into bar I expect the owner follow the laws and its not my responsibility to check anybody ID for possible violations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, olfu said: When I walk into bar I expect the owner follow the laws and its not my responsibility to check anybody ID for possible violations. tell that to the BiB interviewer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 10 hours ago, webfact said: In most cases, police find suspected victims online as bars showcase their young waitresses on social media, he added. Amazing that the business owners are too stupid to realise that if potential customers can be attracted by promoting what they offer on-line, then the police can see what they are doing too. Same thing happens with idiots pimping on FB, or advertising illegal street races. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony125 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, olfu said: When I walk into bar I expect the owner follow the laws and its not my responsibility to check anybody ID for possible violations. In the US see how far that gets you in front of a judge. "Ignorance of the law is not an excuse." I was told when I first came here in April 2000 to check the girls ID before bringing back to hotel. They evn had posted in hotel how to check age wriiten in Thai (the date say 2562-18=2544 ( Over 2544 legal ) What if you picked up on Beach Road ? Police and judge don't want to hear "well she looked 18" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony125 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 8 hours ago, WinnieTheKhwai said: Why are they harassing waitresses and preventing from earning some money? Some NGOs are seriously out of control, and authorities seem to be falling for it because they want to suck up to the USA and their neo-colonialist attitudes forcing 'trafficking' on the rest of the world. I used to think NGO's were helping people now know they lie to keep being funded. Years ago I saw on YouTube a supposed documentary on child trafficing in Thailand. A undercover NGO (Brit) was being taken around. I could not understand any of the adults (natives) talking and they were driving on the oppisit side of the street as Thailand. Turns out they were in Cambodia, NGO didn't even know what country he was in or didn't care as long as he got a story with Thailand as the bad place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadbury Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 6 hours ago, steven100 said: so you can look at the young and touch a little but that's it. Really! Is that right steven100? You speak from experience I take it. Otherwise how else would you know? You have lost my respect steven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 40 minutes ago, Cadbury said: Really! Is that right steven100? You speak from experience I take it. Otherwise how else would you know? You have lost my respect steven. hint: 7 hours ago, steven100 said: so you can look at the young and touch a little but that's it. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHTel Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Quote (G) CHILD LABORThe minimum age in order to employ a child is 15 years old in Thailand. Furthermore, no child under the age of 18 can be engaged to work without informing the labor inspector within 15 days from the date the child starts working. An employer is required to give a child a rest period of one hour every four hours of working. Similarly, an employer should not ask a child employee below 18 years to work overtime on holidays or work at 10:00 PM to 6:00 AM.The employer should not put the child employee under the age of 18 to perform dangerous works such as: Smelting, blowing, casting, or rolling metal Stamping Metal Work involving conditions of heat, cold, vibration, sound and abnormal lighting which may be dangerous as prescribed by Ministerial Regulations Work involving hazardous chemicals Work involving poisonous microorganisms, which include virus, bacteria, fungus, or other microorganisms as prescribed by Ministerial Regulations An employer should not employ a child under the age of 18 to perform job in the following workplace: Slaughterhouses Gambling houses, casinos Entertainment places, according to the law on entertainment places Establishments where food, liquor, tea or other beverages are served, and where the services of prostitutes, sleeping facilities, or massage are offered, etc and other places as prescribed in Ministerial regulations. An employer is prohibited from: Demanding, requesting or receiving guarantee or security money from a child employee Paying wages of a child employee to any other person. Where an employer gives payment or any other benefit to the child employee’s parents, guardian or any person in advance before employment, during employment, or before any occasion when wage payment is due, it shall not be deemed that the payments are wages or that the employee receives wages, and it is not permitted for an employer who gave advance money or benefits to the child employee to deduct it from his/her wages paid for any period of time. Labour Laws in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Boyd Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 All Karoke Bars should be Banned, I was a victim of drugged cocktails, they didnt care they drugged all four of us, the girls were found unconscious in the toilet, and we were passed out on Sofas, and billed for 36 Shots of Tequila, I only remember 1, I remember being driven to a 7/11 to remove 11,000 b, and then made to walk home to my condo 2 kilo away, got there after falling and smashing my face, Security notes time of a arrival 4:00, or I never would have known, how or when I arrived, Never Again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 9 hours ago, Cadbury said: Really! Is that right steven100? You speak from experience I take it. Otherwise how else would you know? You have lost my respect steven. no …. i'm just commenting on what was the assumption in the article … that's all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 13 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said: That reminds me of children's day parties up country. Some time ago I was with my gf in her village at such a party. Little girls with fishnet stockings, mini skirts and lots of make-up dancing on stage. And everybody, including their parents, were looking. Is that a problem? I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. I guess many of the parents and other visitors will see their children dressing up and having a good time. But if a pedophile looks at it he will have different thoughts. Should everything be illegal which could be problematic thinking about child molesters. How about kids at a swimming pool? Most of us will just see kids and don't think about anything else. Precisely. Another case of the vocal (mindless) minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Why is it presumed and then assumed that all men are perverts and pedophiles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMHERE Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 19 hours ago, YTP said: If you need to be 20 to enter a bar serving alcohol, you should be 20 to work there as well. How about restaurants? And those alterboys/girls when serving the wine and wafers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jobsworth Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 the ngo's on this forum are all creeping out of the woodwork. any foreigner is at risk of being set up as a paedophile. the payments are enormous and too good to miss. the ngo's that come to thailand were all recruited from the homeless shelters in the west. yet nobody seems to notice this army of roughs who could not possibly afford even the air fare. i was brought up in the uk under a strict regime and we were told that 16 was the age of consent. it is true that in victorian times the age was increased from 10 to 13. yet now america has raised the age to 18 and more. and this at a time when with better food and medical care the onset of puberty occurs at a younger and younger age. we all know what a child is and children may be cute but they are not sexually attractive. can nothing be done to stop this witch hunt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 It has been stated that child sexual abuse in the villages is rife . Wonder how many of those sexy looking little girls , dressed up in fishnets , mini skirts , make-up and dancing provocatively on stage , get abused by their drunken step father when they get home ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 It isnt legal unless her parents give consent . She can only give consent when shes 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Multiple bickering baiting and basically off topic posts and replies removed, there is plenty to discuss in the original article without going into member personal details and reflections resulting in arguments. Thai bars raided for trafficking child 'entertainers' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmficc Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 On 9/25/2019 at 12:48 AM, WinnieTheKhwai said: Why are they harassing waitresses and preventing from earning some money? Some NGOs are seriously out of control, and authorities seem to be falling for it because they want to suck up to the USA and their neo-colonialist attitudes forcing 'trafficking' on the rest of the world. It would be a good job for your daughter- you could get in on the fun. Sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmficc Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 16 hours ago, jobsworth said: the ngo's on this forum are all creeping out of the woodwork. any foreigner is at risk of being set up as a paedophile. the payments are enormous and too good to miss. the ngo's that come to thailand were all recruited from the homeless shelters in the west. yet nobody seems to notice this army of roughs who could not possibly afford even the air fare. i was brought up in the uk under a strict regime and we were told that 16 was the age of consent. it is true that in victorian times the age was increased from 10 to 13. yet now america has raised the age to 18 and more. and this at a time when with better food and medical care the onset of puberty occurs at a younger and younger age. we all know what a child is and children may be cute but they are not sexually attractive. can nothing be done to stop this witch hunt? Spoken like a true sicko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmficc Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 On 9/25/2019 at 6:20 AM, sanemax said: Neither do I think that all waitresses are prostitutes , but any girl working in a sex industry venue, is highly likely to be doing other things, rather than just serving drinks They are being groomed for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briansbiology Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 On 9/25/2019 at 4:12 PM, sanemax said: Not in the sex industry though . Child prostitution is illegal in Thailand Well technically most forms are illegal here..... for whatever that means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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