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Has anybody received a reminder letter for Form 7162 from the SSA?

 

This would be a new form to remind you that SSA never received your form that was sent in June.

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Normally they do not start arriving until October.

They do not start sending them out until 30 days after the 60 day allowance for them to be received ends.

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The wife didn't receive her initial form in June....contacted Manila...Manila said wait for the Sep/Oct 2nd mailing....if she doesn't get one from the 2nd mailing then contact Manila again.   

 

The wife has not rec'd an 2nd notice yet.  If not receiving it by the end of Oct we will then start beating on Manila's doors as they requested.

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I just got the second notice today, Oct. 24.  The form specifically indicates "Second Request" at the top of the form and was dated Oct. 02, 2019.  It was accompanied by a note that says they sent me this second notice because they did not receive a reply from the first request they sent.  The truth is I never got the first one in the first place.  Anyway, I'm mailing this back via private courier service to their street address just to make sure they get it, even if it'll cost me quite a bit.  

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14 hours ago, Migz said:

I just got the second notice today, Oct. 24.  The form specifically indicates "Second Request" at the top of the form and was dated Oct. 02, 2019.  It was accompanied by a note that says they sent me this second notice because they did not receive a reply from the first request they sent.  The truth is I never got the first one in the first place.  Anyway, I'm mailing this back via private courier service to their street address just to make sure they get it, even if it'll cost me quite a bit.  

I just received my notice in Thai mail yesterday. Mailed October 4th. Mine also indicates it is a second notice and I also never received the first. I will mail back using International airmail registered from Thai Post today

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ha. Sounds like "second notice" is misused a bit by the SSA  !  I wont start my benefits until the end of next year, but it is good to read about experiences from Expats, living out of the USA, address issues etc.  I will definitely keep a valid USA address one way or the other. 

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Received my "second notice" today. When I received the first letter back in June, I sent it back the following day, Been awhile so, I thought I was all set.

 

I went to the post office today and sent it back EMS to be sure. 880 bt !!

 

Is there a cheaper way to send it with tracking?

 

PS  Had to make a trip back home to get my ID.

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1 hour ago, tatom said:

Is there a cheaper way to send it with tracking?

Registered mail costs about 104 baht. But the tracking after it gets to Wilkes Barre is not reliable.

I sent mine on June 7th. It took 20 days to arrive at customs in NY as shown USPS website. Then it showed on the 7th of July that it was in route to Wilkes Barre from Scranton, PA.

No more updates unit it showed delivered on September 10th. Apparently it was in Wilkes Barre but not scanned until then.

Got the 2nd notice last Thursday.  Sent a email that evening with a copy of the 7162 I sent a copy of all the tracking in shown on Thai post and USPS to Manila asking them what I should do. No reply from them yet.

 

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My wife still hasn't got the Jun/1st or Oct/2nd notice as of 25 Oct/today.  But Oct is not quite over yet so I will wait until 1 Nov before I start beating on Manila's door (per their earlier guidance/request).  We get mail from the US no problem to our Bangkok address....arrives in less than two weeks.  The exact same address that's on-file with the SSA....and her address on file matches my SSA on file address exactly.  I got my 7162 in June and immediately mailed it back....no Oct notice (yet) so hopefully my reply arrived.

 

It just shouldn't be this hard for SSA to get mail to a person.  My gut is telling me a dead or alive form was never mailed for whatever reason.

 

Regarding how long it takes plain old airmail and registered air mail from Thailand to arrive the US destination address, based on three tests I did earlier this year plain old airmail arrived in 10 to 14 days and registered airmail took around a month.  The registered mail would go completely missing in action/lost in space for weeks on the USPS and Thai Postal System tracking system.  And would spend times (days) clearing customs on the US end in New York.  Two of the three registered airmails never showed as being delivered on the US or Thai postal tracking systems but all three did indeed arrive.

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Thanks for all the replies. I did not get one, so hopefully all is well. I will still hold my breath for another week.

I sent mine by regular air mail and sent a backup form also by regular air mail a week later, so hopefully at least one of them got thru to them.

 

On another note that is a little off topic, I did get a notice from the IRS saying they received Form1040X which is an amended return however, I never filed or sent one. If it's not one thing, it's another. Hope there was no identity theft and someone trying to get a big refund or employer milking the system.

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21 hours ago, tatom said:

Received my "second notice" today. When I received the first letter back in June, I sent it back the following day, Been awhile so, I thought I was all set.

 

I went to the post office today and sent it back EMS to be sure. 880 bt !!

 

Is there a cheaper way to send it with tracking?

 

PS  Had to make a trip back home to get my ID.

Yes I sent my using Thai Post International Airmail registered cost 113 baht. I will track it and see how it goes

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I also received my 2nd notice and jumped through the hoop one more time. 

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On 10/25/2019 at 11:19 AM, ubonjoe said:

Registered mail costs about 104 baht. But the tracking after it gets to Wilkes Barre is not reliable.

I sent mine on June 7th. It took 20 days to arrive at customs in NY as shown USPS website. Then it showed on the 7th of July that it was in route to Wilkes Barre from Scranton, PA.

No more updates unit it showed delivered on September 10th. Apparently it was in Wilkes Barre but not scanned until then.

Got the 2nd notice last Thursday.  Sent a email that evening with a copy of the 7162 I sent a copy of all the tracking in shown on Thai post and USPS to Manila asking them what I should do. No reply from them yet.

 

Same here.  Just got my second notice today. 

I mailed my original 7162 on June 17 via registered mail and it showed up in New York July 1st.  The last time I checked it at the end of July it had fallen into the USPS Blackhole for SSA Forms 7162, but somehow escaped to be delivered to Wilkes Barre on September 14 - almost two and a half months after arriving in New York to be delivered in Wilkes Barre.  Given there is more than just one of us experiencing the exact same problem with USPS and their handling of SSA Form 7162 document sent via registered mail from Thailand, you have to wonder -- why?  Why is USPS sitting on important, time-sensitive documents that are sent via registered mail?  And yet, quite obviously, they are! 
This doesn't look to be a "one-off" problem.  It looks more like standard operating procedure.

 

Given that my original mailing has been supposed received on September 14th which must have been after second-notice mailing processing cutoff date, I'm thinking I'll just send this second notice by regular mail and see what shakes come Feb 2020. 

Ubonjoe.  If you get a reply from SSA Manila it would be interesting to know what they advise.

Thanks!

 

 

 

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Just FYI.   The postman just made made mail delivery on my soi for 31 Oct.  My family member drawing SSA did not receive a 7162 during the June/July or September/October mailing.  I sent an email to Manila stating such and requesting action/next step on the 7162 non-receipt.  Below is the  automatic response I got which talks contacting Manila, non-receipt of 7162, and other issues.  Note that Manila now says do follow-up if not receiving a response unless you do not get a response from them in "10" business days; that use to be 5 business days earlier this year.  

 

 

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Thank you for contacting the Federal Benefits Unit at the U.S. Embassy in Manila. We will respond to your inquiry within ten (10) business days. Please do not follow-up on your inquiry unless you have not received a response within ten (10) business days.

 

To assist us in answering your inquiry, we may request additional information from you. Providing this information is optional; however, we may not be able to assist you without the following information:

·         Last Name:

·         First Name:

·         Date of Birth:

·         Place of Birth:

·         Last four digits of Social Security Number (SSN):

·         Address:

·         Contact Number:

 

Apply Online for BenefitsIts fast and easy!

 

You can apply for the following benefits online:

1.    Retirement at www.ssa.gov/benefits/retirement

2.    Disability at www.socialsecurity.gov/applyfordisability

3.    Medicare Only at www.ssa.gov/benefits/medicare

 

If you have a U.S. or APO/FPO/DPO mailing address, you can also apply for your own personal mySocialSecurity account at www.ssa.gov/myaccount. At this time, no other online services are available outside the United States.

 

Our online hours of operation are:

·         Weekdays     5:00 AM 1:00 AM Eastern Time (ET)

·         Saturday       5:00 AM 11:00 PM ET

·         Sunday         8:00 AM 11:30 PM ET

·         Holidays        5:00 AM 1:00 AM ET

 

Form SSA-7162 / SSA-7161 (Report to the United States Social Security Administration)

 

Form SSA-7162 is sent from Wilkes-Barre, PA and must be completed by all beneficiaries according to the schedule below. If a beneficiary has a representative payee, Form SSA-7161 will be sent to the representative payee for completion.

 

·         Beneficiaries with addresses in Australia, Hong Kong, Japan, New Zealand, and APO/FPO/DPO receive the form every two years.

·         Beneficiaries in countries not mentioned above receive the form every year.

 

The form is mailed to beneficiaries in May and a follow-up letter is mailed in September. If the completed form is not received by the end of the year, benefits are suspended beginning with the February payment of the following year.

 

To avoid the suspension of your benefits, please complete the form as soon as you receive it and mail it back using the enclosed business reply envelope. Do not submit the completed form to the Federal Benefits Unit in Manila or to a U.S. Embassy/Consulate.

 

IMPORTANT: If you do not receive the form by November, contact us right away, preferably by e-mail.

 

Sincerely,

 

Social Security Administration – Federal Benefits Unit

Embassy of the United States of America | Manila, Philippines

Inquiry Line: (+63 2) 301-2000, Option 9 NOTE: Effective October 6, 2019, our new phone number will be (+63 2) 5301-2000

Telephone Hours: Tuesdays and Thursdays - 8:00 AM to 11:00 AM (Manila Time), except U.S. and Philippine Holidays

Public Hours: Monday through Friday - 8:00 AM  to 12:00 PM, except U.S. and Philippine Holidays and the first Wednesday of every month

 

For additional information regarding the Social Security Administration, please visit www.ssa.gov.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Pib said:

Just FYI.   The postman just made made mail delivery on my soi for 31 Oct.  My family member drawing SSA did not receive a 7162 during the June/July or September/October mailing.  I sent an email to Manila stating such and requesting action/next step on the 7162 non-receipt.  Below is the  automatic response I got which talks contacting Manila, non-receipt of 7162, and other issues.  Note that Manila now says do follow-up if not receiving a response unless you do not get a response from them in "10" business days; that use to be 5 business days earlier this year.  

 

 

 

Thanks for always keeping us informed and updated.

It is greatly appreciated!!

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