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Far Fewer Farang Waltzing Down the Chiang Mai Streets These Days. Why?


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1. Massive over development without any thought to traffic mitigation, leading to traffic jams every day. 

 

2. Some of the worst air quality in the nation. And the hapless administration has no solutions, nor do they seem to really care. 

 

3. Rising baht, rising prices, and jaded locals who are not as friendly as they used to be, plus large mobs of Chinese tourists everywhere. 

 

4. Declining tourism nationwide. Thailand is missing the mark, not is doing anything to become a better version of itself, combined with a dozen fatal mistakes the government, immigration and the TAT has made, including grossly overpriced luxury goods and foreign wine. 

 

5. The neighbors are trying harder, they are smarter, more competent, and more creative. 

 

6. Thailand's astonishing unwillingness to address the issues of public and traffic safety, and the ensuing fear of catastrophe while visiting. 

 

7. Tourists are tired of the local police franchisees who are virtually useless. 

 

8. Few like an army junta administration, even if they pretended to get elected. 

 

9. Thailand is NOT the center of the known universe. Stop pretending it is. We have too many alternatives these days. Nations that do not take is for granted and abuse us. 

 

10. Poor English skills, and relatively poor service, especially at the higher end of the market, where it is expected and required. 

 

I could go on. Won't bore you with more detail. 

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Unless your into temples or golf there’s not really to much to do in Chiang Mai. Lived in kata for 12 months before moving up here with the GF,she’s from up this way.

3 yrs on,can’t wait to get back to phuket,costs nothing to put the budgie smugglers on,go to the beach and veg out under a nice palm tree checking out the scenery.

Ok the cost of living might be a little bit more expensive,but the quality of life is so much better down there.

I see Chiang Mai as a retirement option when your ready to just sit at home,potter round the garden or get dragged out to the mall with the misses.

I understand that financial circumstances affect these decisions also. So whatever floats your boat,but the stricter visa rules would have definitely made a big difference. Plus those on a fixed pension losing out big time due to the strength of the baht,and not being able to meet the monthly requirements.

Anyway off for a nap now,worn myself out.

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I used to enjoy some of the quiet of the "countryside" in the Chanklan area.  Used to have a condo (rented of course) in Touch Hill.  Lovely and quiet as long as you're facing North or North-East and if you can stand (next door) the sound of the cocks being trained for fighting.

 

Best coffee shop in Thailand almost next door to Touch Hill.  Called Oasis the last time I was there.

Best restaurant in town (Niman soi 11) was Why Not?

 

Found my lovely wife in CM, but we would never return there long-term simply b/c of the pollution in January-April.

Might try a Nov/Dec visit, before the smoke comes.

 

And I will no longer go through all the sodding hoops to get myself a one-year visa.  Three months will do , IF we ever return

 

The other big no-no is the sheer danger of just crossing the road. 

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a lot of the cheap accomodation has been refurbed changing the demographic of the area
endless construction on every other soi
look at sophet
the music bars have closed down
the scene
has changed the farangs are young and just up for getting drunk at zoes in yellow
theres a new hostel called bodega always busy but its all in house drinking games
in my out of the way soi two new coffee shops just opened no imagination
high baht

visas

and over the last two years the police set up road blocks at two points at the moat and got so many 500 bahts for no licence or helmet

everywhere has a run where its the 'in' place to hang bars cafes clubs town and city
CM just hastened their demise a bit quicker than most
welcome to CM province, just like Tiawan it used to be part of China
 

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Chiang Mai Air Quality is showing 42 (green) for 1pm today. We sometimes go for food and a beer at Kad Manee Market on Road 108 across the street from Xym Hotel. Last few times there, counted 12-15 Chinese Tour Buses and very few other Farangs. One Farang guy was waiting at a table for 6 for his wife to buy food when a family of Chinese sat down. When his wife came, they moved to another open table. A short while later, another Chinese family sat down at their new table, lol. Our Thai friends that have businesses are hurting, no customers.

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Tourism is down and that's the biggest reason why downtown is relatively quiet. Many digital nomads who mostly lived in the city or frequented downtown locations have also left.

 

Someone mentioned that things are just as lively as ever in the burbs and I agree with that observation. And the same certainly applies further out in the beautiful countryside where things are the same as they ever were.

 

The fact is that most expats (not tourists) have set up home outside the city and I don't believe that the few who have left recently make a noticeable difference.

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Chiang Mai is perhaps not the fascinating small city it used to be when I first visited 30 years ago. Sure, there are now shopping malls, many restuarants, markets aimed at tourists. But for peaceful, quiet and charming places within the city it`s harder to find than ever. Much of the city is not distinctive any more and of course there are more alternatives in the region, with Laos and Vietnam opening up. But plenty of westerners still stay in Chiang Mai. The immigration office is far busier than the one room office I remember back in the day!

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58 minutes ago, Ajarnbrian said:

Chiang Mai is perhaps not the fascinating small city it used to be when I first visited 30 years ago. Sure, there are now shopping malls, many restuarants, markets aimed at tourists. But for peaceful, quiet and charming places within the city it`s harder to find than ever. Much of the city is not distinctive any more and of course there are more alternatives in the region, with Laos and Vietnam opening up. But plenty of westerners still stay in Chiang Mai. The immigration office is far busier than the one room office I remember back in the day!

Agree with you that the City of Chiang Mai has lost its charm: the Rose of the North now has many thorns. Over development without proper planning. But Chiang Mai is a big province and you don't have to consider going to neighbouring countries to find peaceful, quiet and charming places as there are many within easy reach of the City.

 

As a province to live in, Chiang Mai still has enormous appeal. I have moved house a few times over the 30 years that I have lived here, moving progressively further out and now live in what I consider to be a perfect, very beautiful location surrounded by rice fields and forests and friendly, helpful Thai neighbours. I don't like to go into the City any more, but important things like very good hospitals, restaurants and shopping are all there, not too far away, on the few occasions I need them.

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