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15 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Apologies for cutting this extract. The actuality is that downward trends of the pound since 2016 has much to do with Brexit - which effect has been statistically proven previously on this forum. I would wager that any downward trend has accelerated owing to Brexit, as being the factual truism.

 

 

Don't apologise for cutting the extract.It's completely legitimate since you didn't distort the original message.

 

I take your point but would emphasize that in the longer term all currencies rise and fall depending on supply and demand.Brexit may be a factor.Post Brexit the main factors will be economic growth and Bank of England monetary policy.

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1 hour ago, jayboy said:

Don't apologise for cutting the extract.It's completely legitimate since you didn't distort the original message.

 

I take your point but would emphasize that in the longer term all currencies rise and fall depending on supply and demand.Brexit may be a factor.Post Brexit the main factors will be economic growth and Bank of England monetary policy.

In the long term I'll be dead. It's my current situation since 2016 that I'm concerned about, being mainly Brexit induced. And I can see that continuing post Brexit (if it happens) for at least another 3 years, if not more.

 

Unless, of course, the tories get blown out at the next GE. And some sanity returns.

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13 hours ago, baboon said:

I am afraid I cannot agree with you at all.

The chief 'leavers' will always point the finger of blame elsewhere, no matter what. Hell, they have even stopped pretending that they believe the UK will be tangibly better off. And their support base will never admit to having been conned, probably not even to themselves in private moments alone. There will be no calling to account.

Sorry, this should have been quoted as the post to which I was replying.

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13 hours ago, baboon said:

Funny how at the time they weren't pointing out that while they were all for Brexit, they didn't believe that the 350 Million for the NHS was true. Or all that nonsense about the 'easiest deal in history'.

So that makes them as dishonest as the tricksters who did try to sell that nonsense, when all the while they wanted their country to be poorer and its clout in the world reduced.

Because they are 'True Patriots' and the like, as many of their namesakes would have us believe on the wider internet.

 

The EU isn't perfect to any degree. But I would far rather be with them than the dubious characters who seem to want to divide people and sow hate.

What a load of rubbish!

 

But I did like this point "The EU isn't perfect to any degree."

 

Do you seriously think that if UK and EU politicians are allowed to get away with (yet again, in the case of the EU) sabotaging the referendum result - the EU politicians will agree to reform??

 

And if UK politicians are allowed to get away with thwarting the referendum result, they will (IMO) be even worse in the future :sad:.

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11 hours ago, baboon said:

No need. The bus thing happened. No Thaivisa member who wishes to leave the EU pointed out at the time that they did not believe the bold claim on the side of the bus.

My point stands.

The first time I heard about 'the bus' was when it was brought up after the referendum.

 

And repeated endlessly by remainers as a reason why brexiteers were 'thick'....  Unlike the remainers, who are the only ones who believe, think or care about the bus....😁

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11 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Loo roll shortage no problem, we have a perfect alternative, indeed it's the only sensible use for the Sun and the Mail. Maybe they can even be persuaded to print their poison on softer paper. 

You forgot the Express and, sadly, the Guardian/Independent (😂) and Telegraph.

 

Newspapers are making it ever more clear that they are far from unbiased.

 

This has always been the case obviously - but hopefully it will be a 'wake up' call to those with an open mind that all their reporting is biased in one way or another.

 

David555's post that brexit would lead to a shortage of toilet paper :shock1:😂 pretty much encapsulates most of what has been said in MSM!

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3 hours ago, jayboy said:

Post Brexit the main factors will be economic growth and Bank of England monetary policy.

The main factor will be borrowing, growth is forecast to be about half of what it's been. The brexit dividend was never anything more than a myth.

 

* Borrowing set to be more than £50bn next year – more than double the official forecast as recently as March.

* At 2.3 per cent, this would breach the ceiling of 2 per cent of national income, imposed by the chancellor’s own fiscal rules.

* Even a “relatively benign no-deal Brexit” would send borrowing close to the £100bn mark – and debt to almost 90 per cent of national income for the first time since the mid 1960s.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-economy-brexit-boris-johnson-institute-fiscal-studies-growth-exports-a9146386.html

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5 hours ago, sandyf said:

Of course there has always been eurosceptics but not to the extent you make out.

Those that did not understand brexit were misled by politicians that did not understand brexit.

One factor that many would rather ignore is the anti government sentiment that existed at the time as a result of a prolonged period of austerity. The irony is that those that voted against the government because of austerity were in fact voting for further austerity.

 

 

Presumably they didn’t understand in 2017 whey returned the Tory government. That was despite Corbyn promising to wipe out student loans and T. May screwing up with their manifesto.

 

Don’t worry, Farage will come out to play this time - and play he will. He has already been campaigning and will likely attract 5-10m votes. 

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14 minutes ago, jayboy said:

Yes I'm quite sure that the international currency markets will react very positively to a far left socialist as PM with a policy of nationalisation, expropriation of assets, and penal taxes on business.

Bit of a far fetched assumption. I would suspect that a GE will result in another Tory /Lib Dem coalition.

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5 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Presumably they didn’t understand in 2017 whey returned the Tory government. That was despite Corbyn promising to wipe out student loans and T. May screwing up with their manifesto.

 

Don’t worry, Farage will come out to play this time - and play he will. He has already been campaigning and will likely attract 5-10m votes. 

You are perfectly free to believe that a vote against JC was a vote for brexit.

A GE never has and never will provide an answer to the brexit question. If the 2017 GE had answered the question then we wouldn't be in this mess. TM threw away the majority and had to bribe the DUP, what sort of answer was that.

It is highly likely that come the GE the vote will be more distributed than ever before. You are probably quite right that Farage will take a hefty slice of the vote but no one is going to get into bed with him and there is every chance there will have to be an alliance.

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The government is said to be considering sending a second letter to the EU along with the first letter required by the Benn Act requesting an extension to Article.
Asked on ITV’s Peston if Johnson could still send a second letter explaining he doesn’t actually want an extension, business secretary Andrea Leadsom replied: “Absolutely”.
 
The EU are not going to bend over for Johnson, every chance they will take the
view that as the letter is subject to an act of parliament, any amendment would need to be approved by parliament and just grant the extension. 
 
 
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