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13 hours ago, Max88 said:

 

Thank you. I`m not so sure living in a rural area is my cup of tea. I am kind of a city person and was thinking living in BKK would be more suitable.

Well paying international schools in Bangkok are unlikely to employ you without a degree. Salaries and conditions with others (no degree) vary widely.

You will not have a to worry about too much money to spend. 

Healthcare should be part of the package.

 

 

 

 

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So you had ten years to get a proper qualification,  which for teaching english would be a good degree and a TEFL qualification but you did not bother? Very short sighted. How many hours of inhouse training did you do. In ten years I, as an employer,  would expect about 300 hours of certificated INSET. If not  you were not working for professional outfits.

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...but as I get older I find the winters very tough.

 

How old?  That could also be a problem.  You could apply for teaching jobs in Myanmar (Burma).  Typical salary is about $2,400 plus free accommodation and visas/visa-runs. Age is far less likely to be a problem, but your lack of a degree could still be an issue.

 

Or why not teach online?

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it's not really "teaching" here unless it is a very unique private school.  

 

students rarely ever raise their hand in the classroom.  

 

classroom sizes, even for spoken language studies, are huge.  

 

exams are almost all only multiple choice, and not very good ones.  

 

and English at best is taught and learned as a third language, even as far as I know for kids in Bangkok.

 

as a few basic issues.

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On 10/9/2019 at 1:20 PM, Max88 said:

 

Thank you. I`m not so sure living in a rural area is my cup of tea. I am kind of a city person and was thinking living in BKK would be more suitable.

Look forward to earning around 110,000JPY a month, paying 35,000JPY rent, and the rest for transport, basic food, and visa trips...

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13 hours ago, WeekendRaider said:

it's not really "teaching" here unless it is a very unique private school.  

 

students rarely ever raise their hand in the classroom.  

 

classroom sizes, even for spoken language studies, are huge.  

 

exams are almost all only multiple choice, and not very good ones.  

 

and English at best is taught and learned as a third language, even as far as I know for kids in Bangkok.

 

as a few basic issues.

I beg to differ.  My school is not a very (sic) unique private school.  It's a bog-standard private dual/trilingual education school.

 

Students raising their hands is indeed something of an issue.  Many don't, and tend to rely on the few who do.  This takes management such as a skilled teacher may apply.  Personally, I encourage them to shout out, but that's just me.

 

Classroom sizes are between 3 and 27 students in my current grades and subjects.

 

Our exams are a mixture of the 4 skills, although within the foreign languages department oral skills are generally not tested at exam level for some reason.  The techniques include, but are not confined to multiple choice.


The third language in my school is Chinese. 

 

What I do is* teaching.   If you care to identify how it isn't, I will be happy to refute.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Slip said:

I beg to differ.  My school is not a very (sic) unique private school.  It's a bog-standard private dual/trilingual education school.

 

Students raising their hands is indeed something of an issue.  Many don't, and tend to rely on the few who do.  This takes management such as a skilled teacher may apply.  Personally, I encourage them to shout out, but that's just me.

 

Classroom sizes are between 3 and 27 students in my current grades and subjects.

 

Our exams are a mixture of the 4 skills, although within the foreign languages department oral skills are generally not tested at exam level for some reason.  The techniques include, but are not confined to multiple choice.


The third language in my school is Chinese. 

 

What I do is* teaching.   If you care to identify how it isn't, I will be happy to refute.

 

 

 

What are your teaching qualifications regarding teaching?

Meaning that acquired in your "home country".

 

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On 10/9/2019 at 12:52 PM, CrunchWrapSupreme said:

Talk to some agencies, like the ones listed on Ajarn.com, offering positions out in more rural areas. Can't name any names, but I've known of several instances where they simply require "native English speakers", then are able to bend the rules that require a degree, because of the demand for teachers. Be warned however, this demand is due to the fact there are challenging students and high turnover. Good luck.

Stay well away from agencies!

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15 hours ago, simon43 said:

 

 

 

How old?  That could also be a problem.  You could apply for teaching jobs in Myanmar (Burma).  Typical salary is about $2,400 plus free accommodation and visas/visa-runs. Age is far less likely to be a problem, but your lack of a degree could still be an issue.

 

Or why not teach online?

I taught in Thai schools for 24 years.

Unless you love Thailand or have savings, stay well away.

Thai teachers are the worst. They feel inferior to the foreign  teachers yet superior in rhe way they talk about them,  very rudely, and although teachers(who are highly respected here) are not allowed even on the bottom rung on the thai hierarchical  social ladder, whereas the thai cleaners, security guards are.

The pettiness, corruption and not caring about the education but purely on keeping the parents happy and lining their pockets makes it a nightmare. It takes learning the language and experiencing the whole institution  for a couple of decades before the despicable nature of these administrators is obvious. If anything, work in a uni. pr online, but stay away from Chinese companies.

 

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on a tangent, degrees are a load of <deleted>, cannot replace hands on experience, years ago, i came up from the shop floor, rubber to metal bondings, could machine trouble shoot, made production technician, redundancies came up, i was let go, and they kept on a guy with a degree in rubber technology, did not have a <deleted> clue how to trouble shoot problems, shot themselves in the foot, wanted my back, no chance, all the best,

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16 minutes ago, mercman24 said:

on a tangent, degrees are a load of <deleted>, cannot replace hands on experience, years ago, i came up from the shop floor, rubber to metal bondings, could machine trouble shoot, made production technician, redundancies came up, i was let go, and they kept on a guy with a degree in rubber technology, did not have a <deleted> clue how to trouble shoot problems, shot themselves in the foot, wanted my back, no chance, all the best,

Correct, the majority of modern degrees are fairly useless when compared to hands-on experience. Degrees sometimes seem like they are just a way for employers to disregard a great swathe of the applicants quickly and easily. If you want to be at the top of the pile then a 1st class degree from a good university AND hands-on experience is the way to go. I'm sure that guy with the degree that they kept on figured things out in the end.

 

For many jobs, however, a degree is essential, like a solicitor, a doctor, a dentist, or an English teacher in Thailand! I have met people teaching in Thailand without degrees, but it only takes a spot check or a <deleted> off parent to grass you up and you'll be deported PDQ, not worth it at all.

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22 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

What are your teaching qualifications regarding teaching?

Meaning that acquired in your "home country".

 

Originally I determined to ignore your silly question, but I'm at a loose end so I will reply.

Your question is quite irrelevant to the matter at hand.  Those who teach teach.  Some hold more "advanced qualifications" than others.  That does not make those who hold lesser qualifications any less teachers.

 

Any teacher who holds qualifications to teach in their country of residence and does the job is by definition a teacher.

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23 minutes ago, Slip said:

Originally I determined to ignore your silly question, but I'm at a loose end so I will reply.

Your question is quite irrelevant to the matter at hand.  Those who teach teach.  Some hold more "advanced qualifications" than others.  That does not make those who hold lesser qualifications any less teachers.

 

Any teacher who holds qualifications to teach in their country of residence and does the job is by definition a teacher.

Rubbish. In Australia for secondary school its 3 year degree followed by one year diploma. 4 yrs. 

I run into folk in Saigon who obtained online teach English rubbish in few weeks. So they are teachers. Not IMO.

 

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24 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Rubbish. In Australia for secondary school its 3 year degree followed by one year diploma. 4 yrs. 

I run into folk in Saigon who obtained online teach English rubbish in few weeks. So they are teachers. Not IMO.

 

What is rubbish?  I applaud Australia for making the road to teaching arduous and exacting, but that has nothing to do with what qualifies someone to be a teacher anywhere but in Australia. 

 

With regards to the people you mention in Saigon you can suggest that they are not teachers all you like, but if they are actually teachers it completely negates your point. 

 

If they are teaching TEFL then of course they don't need to hold any sort of qualification other than they do.  Regardless if they hold the qualification or not, they are still teachers by dint of teaching people for a living.

 

You may disagree with my opinions but not the facts that I have stated regardless of whether you like them or not.

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On 10/9/2019 at 1:54 PM, sillyfool said:

come to thailand for some fun and holiday. i suggest not coming here to teah. it's like being sucked into a black hole. 

But be aware that Noi, Lek, Pornthip and all the others got older.

 

   Have fun getting sucked into a big black old hole then. Best of luck, I've sent you a message. 

 

  There are other ways to employ you. You can either be a teacher's assistant, or a trainer.

 

Both job descriptions bypass the TCT. ( Teacher's Council of Thailand.)

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