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20 minutes ago, Russell17au said:

You can only extend the O-A visa once for a length of 1 year and then you must either leave Thailand and return to your home country and apply for a new visa or you do a border crossing and get a 90 day "O" visa which is then extended with either the marriage or retirement extensions, but remember that if you convert to the "o" visa with the extensions then you must have the financials in a Thai bank, if you return to your home country then you have the financials in your home country. The special thing is that you do not have your money in a Thai bank account. Some people do not feel comfortable having their money in a Thai bank account so they opt for the "O-A" visa so now Thailand want that money here so they want you to either take out a Thai insurance policy or change your visa.

If you are retired and living in Thailand you don't think so much about having the 800k in a Thai bank. That's how paranoid people think. (If you have a pension of >65k monthly, you can use that method.) You get better interest in Thailand than in many savings accounts overseas. The Non-Immigrant O with 1 year extensions are more common than the O-A Visa and the procedure from Non-Immigrant O to a 1 year extension is quite straightforward. Plus, you don't need the police record check or a health insurance.

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So when this stupidity and paranoia ends? this government is going from the silly to the ridiculous, let the government tell us how many non-o visa holders have treated in Thai hospitals and didn't ha

This demand for health insurance goes hand in hand with the government demanding hospitals charge expats multiples of what they charge Thais for the same mediocre procedure...   Way to go Th

I do not have a problem requiring visitors to have health insurance; it is simply a good idea.   However, the quote above leaves me speechless. Are there any valid figures to show a lack of

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11 minutes ago, illiterate said:

That is a great response. You are right, one always has choices. For example if you do not like what the govt is doing you could just off yourself (that is me demonstrating how ridiculous your statements is btw). 

 

Or wait here is another one that is less dark. No matter how bad govt legislation is, it does not matter right? You always have choices, like moving to Russia. 

 

Your argument is unsound. 

You're a bit paranoid,don't you think? Stay back home, that's my advice to you. Then you can bitch about your own government. 

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It isn't as simple anymore as simply leaving on an O-A on or after the 31st October and expect to stamped back in for another 12 months.
The order quite plainly lays out how second and subsequent entry's will be dealt with. They will run concurrently alongside the Insurance valid till date. You only have 5 months left on a valid insurance, you get stamped in for 5 months. Your Insurance has expired, your not coming in until you have purchased insurance.
Section 4 of the Police order is particularly Interesting

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36 minutes ago, RedPill said:

Yes, you extend a O-A with another year, same as a O visa.

 

The O-A after 1 years minimum. The O you can extend after 3 month already. Both have this ability. 

 

That's only about the timing, but you can put in the 'extension' for both.

 

My point was ... if a pre-requirement for a 'possible longer term O-A type extension', into marriage or retirement ... why not then apply the same minimum health insurance rules the the extensions as well?

 

And that's where my suspicion and thinking comes from. 

 

If you could 'not' extend an O-A to an O extension ... then it's ok, the chain is broken!

 

But it's not .. you can extend an O-A to O extension ... so why not apply the same minimum health rules later to O as well?

 

That's my point, if you understand or makes sense, I don't know. That's my logical thinking forward and expect Thai immi go to ... wouldn't surprise me.

 

 

 

"The O-A after 1 years minimum. The O you can extend after 3 month already. Both have this ability."

You seem a bit confused. With the O-A visa you get 1 year from day one. The 1 year extension based on retirement starts with a 90 days Non-Immigrant O based on retirement. After 60 days you extend it 1 year.

You can not change from an O-A to an O by doing an extension. You have to start all over. 

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21 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

You can not change from an O-A to an O by doing an extension. You have to start all over.

Great, that was the final piece of my puzzle I wanted to know.

 

If you can't get an O-A extended into either a marriage or retirement extension, then the chain is broking.

No need to carry on the health insurance requirements into O.

 

That is a good thing, then I'm more relaxed about it now.

 

Thanks!

 

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21 hours ago, tjo o tjim said:

The obsession with peanuts is slightly amusing. It is equivalent to 6,000B per non-imm visa applicant, and likely fewer than 750 meaningful hospital bills. But hey...

I really find it hard to believe. How on earth do long term residents think that they can get away with not paying their hospital bills, especially with the TM30 in full swing. Also, it is common practice with hospitals not to let anyone leave without paying their bill. What fool came up with this idea, just another Thai government whoop to jump through. Already two of my long term friends have packed up and moved to Viet Nam with no regrets.

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35 minutes ago, Lovethailandelite said:

It isn't as simple anymore as simply leaving on an O-A on or after the 31st October and expect to stamped back in for another 12 months.
The order quite plainly lays out how second and subsequent entry's will be dealt with. They will run concurrently alongside the Insurance valid till date. You only have 5 months left on a valid insurance, you get stamped in for 5 months. Your Insurance has expired, your not coming in until you have purchased insurance.
Section 4 of the Police order is particularly Interesting

Insurance OA.jpg

Don't they have the ability to find out if any particular person who has been living here for many years, has not payed hospital bills.

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1 minute ago, RedPill said:

Great, that was the final piece of my puzzle I wanted to know.

 

If you can't get an O-A extended into either a marriage or retirement extension, then the chain is broking. No need to carry on the health insurance requirements into O.

 

That is a good thing, then I'm more relaxed about it now.

 

Thanks!

 

With the new requirements for the O-A visa from I think April this year, it's in my opinion better to start with the 90 days Non-Immigrant O incl.the 1 year extension. That is, if you have the 800k, of course, or use the >65k monthly method. The extension cost 1900 baht/year.

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5 minutes ago, Huckenfell said:

I really find it hard to believe. How on earth do long term residents think that they can get away with not paying their hospital bills, especially with the TM30 in full swing. Also, it is common practice with hospitals not to let anyone leave without paying their bill. What fool came up with this idea, just another Thai government whoop to jump through. Already two of my long term friends have packed up and moved to Viet Nam with no regrets.

Who said that long term residents didn't pay their hospital bills? Most of the unpaid bills comes from tourists without travel insurances using government hospitals. 

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5 minutes ago, Huckenfell said:

Don't they have the ability to find out if any particular person who has been living here for many years, has not payed hospital bills.

Of course if they asked for some sort of ID at the hospital. Most of the unpaid bills comes from tourists without travel insurances using government hospitals.

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18 hours ago, zyphodb said:

I'd say what else is in play is someone/s very high up have decided that they dont want a retired ex-pat population here anymore and are looking at any way to make this happen without coming right out and saying it. 

  That's why theres the ridiculous 40,000 Bhts outpatiants clause in it, to push up the premiums to hights which most people will refuse to pay. Also the TM30 nonsense, all part of the plan... 😞 

The Thai government are doing their hardest to get rid of us that's for sure.

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21 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

I do not have a problem requiring visitors to have health insurance; it is simply a good idea.

 

However, the quote above leaves me speechless. Are there any valid figures to show a lack of repayment? Especially by long-stayers? Generally all I hear about are tourists, not long-term stayers, who don't have insurance and end up with a 'Go fund me' page.

 

Add a few Baht tax to all plane tickets/landings, use the money to aid foreigners hurt in the Kingdom, and problem solved.

 

It doesn't need to occur like this, and thus makes me wonder what else is at play...

 

Have they really thought this through or is it just another incompetent knee jerk idea.

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17 hours ago, 300sd said:

Underlying message continues: Expats not wanted here. 

 

The big problem here is that many of us have got family commitments, especially after living here for many years. Has the government taken this into consideration.

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