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Refused Entry in BKK - Second METV - Deported back to London

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3 hours ago, nailbrains8 said:

Spent 8-9 months in total but was in and out visiting other countries during that time.

Thanks for posting. I've seen more and more posts here and elsewhere about people having issues with METVs.

 

Can you find out a more accurate figure for the time he actually spent in Thailand over the last 12 months? Was it more than 180 days?

 

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41 minutes ago, nailbrains8 said:
2 hours ago, TooMuchTime said:

Why do they force a flight back to London?  Can he choose to take a flight somewhere else?  Do they just force your last departure origin or home country?

Yes, he wanted to fly to Vietnam but they wouldn't allow it.

There is a rule that the airline that brought you to Thailand is responsible for your removal. He arrived on British Airways. I doubt BA has flights from Bangkok to Vietnam, so that would not have been an option.

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I flew in yesterday from Munich.  The two girls about 20 yo sitting next to me sought my assistance on filling out TM6.  Seems like they had read lots of stuff about backpacking in ASEAN,, but had ignored the reality of the immigration situation.  Wasn't their first time in LOS, AND KNEW ABOUT THE FINGERPRINT scanners, didn't have a return ticket, and thought they could get away with saying they were going to explore ASEAN.  I told them that ASEAN doesn't really matter to IO, and what matters is your time in Thailand.  They had German passports, but they may have been eastern european.  Did not have show money, and left occupation and days staying in Thailand blank.  It appears, they thought they could game the system by posing as ASEAN backpackers.  They probably got in, but they were marginal, and apparently there are many others doing the same thing.  the 180 days in a year seems to be the curse of death.  The IO will play along, but in e you cross that line, look out.  ASE AN and Thailand sure as heck isn't the EU.

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1 hour ago, nailbrains8 said:

Yes, he wanted to fly to Vietnam but they wouldn't allow it.

 

You think if I book (Before departing the US) a ticket out of Thailand (SG, PH) that departs a few hours after arrival they will let me take that flight instead of being forced to go back to the US?

 

It is a $100 just in case I am willing to spend lol.

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30 minutes ago, TooMuchTime said:

You think if I book (Before departing the US) a ticket out of Thailand (SG, PH) that departs a few hours after arrival they will let me take that flight instead of being forced to go back to the US?

 

It is a $100 just in case I am willing to spend lol.

According to international agreements, if you are denied entry, the airline that brought you to Thailand is responsible for your removal. As I understand the situation, if you want to change airlines:

  1. Immigration must agree to the transfer of responsibility for your removal.
  2. The other airline must be informed of your status as an inadmissible person, and must agree to accept responsibility.

In most cases, I doubt you will be able to use a ticket on another airline. However, an onward flight on the same airline would very likely allow you to simply take that flight.

 

Of course, you could try telling immigration that you were planning only to transfer in Bangkok. If they believe you, denied entry is unlikely in the first place. What happens if you "change your mind" and fail to take the other flight, who knows?

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42 minutes ago, TooMuchTime said:

 

You think if I book (Before departing the US) a ticket out of Thailand (SG, PH) that departs a few hours after arrival they will let me take that flight instead of being forced to go back to the US?

 

It is a $100 just in case I am willing to spend lol.

Sounds like a decent plan, might depend on when you tell them you are transiting.  The conundrum is seeking an unofficial denial of entry.  Sir, I know I am breaking the rules, but will you let me in, because otherwise I have a ticket to Cambodia?  Seems to go against Thai logic, where there is no such thing as in between.  A Thai waiter once asked me how spicy on a 1-10 scale..I had the nerve to say 7.5..lol, all of a sudden the guy starts acting Parisian.

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4 minutes ago, BritTim said:

According to international agreements, if you are denied entry, the airline that brought you to Thailand is responsible for your removal. As I understand the situation, if you want to change airlines:

  1. Immigration must agree to the transfer of responsibility for your removal.
  2. The other airline must be informed of your status as an inadmissible person, and must agree to accept responsibility.

In most cases, I doubt you will be able to use a ticket on another airline. However, an onward flight on the same airline would very likely allow you to simply take that flight.

 

Of course, you could try telling immigration that you were planning only to transfer in Bangkok. If they believe you, denied entry is unlikely in the first place. What happens if you "change your mind" and fail to take the other flight, who knows?

A few years ago, Lufthansa made me sign something saying I would be financially responsible for my return, if denied entry.  I even showed them my long stay visa extension.  I guess they just can't expect their counter staff to know all the different visa rules.  Never seen it since.

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2 hours ago, nailbrains8 said:

There is NOTHING more to the story. Hence the post. Other people should be aware. 

How do you know that, he is your friend but you dont know everything about his personal life do you? 

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18 minutes ago, BritTim said:

Of course, you could try telling immigration that you were planning only to transfer in Bangkok. If they believe you, denied entry is unlikely in the first place. What happens if you "change your mind" and fail to take the other flight, who knows?

You'd need to put "1 day" for the length of stay on your TM6, but that might be worth doing anyway.

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43 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

The Embassy presumably did due diligence on his TV application and saw no reason to reject it. They might do better to look at past visas, entries and time spent in LOS and make a determination another tourist visa was likely to be problematic. Nevertheless, those rules/limitations need to be stipulated in the vetting process, and brought to the applicants attention. 

Too much of this being reported. Foreigners being issued valid visas and then being treated like criminals when arriving to Thailand. Someone needs to make some legal challenge. 

I am often critical of the ignorance of consular staff, but they are not at fault here. In many cases, the embassy will not even be aware of the entry point you will use to enter Thailand. That being the case, even if they are aware of various different, unofficial rules being applied at some entry points. it may still be impossible for them to know if you might be denied entry.

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