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19 minutes ago, garrya said:

My Thai wife has lived and worked in Europe for a couple of years. Travelled around Europe a bit. 

We moved back to Thailand and now she is begging me to leave....

She made more friends in Europe than in Thailand even though she has only lived a fracture of her life there. 

She knows the difference now.

 

Nice story, but how, exactly does it answer the ops question or even relate to any other post in the thread. 

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8 hours ago, jayboy said:

 


Laughable in your view it may be.

Nevertheless I am fairly certain that the views expressed on this forum are a matter of no interest to the Thai authorities.Even if they were aware of the forum and able to understand the contents,it would be completely out of character for them to examine any of it in detail.




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You'd be surprised...

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To the OP and with respect. That was then, this is now. The nation for foreigners is nothing like it was in 2005 and it's not over. We are looking at forced worthless insurance and potential increases in deposits for O visas. I'm certain they will dream up yet another nonsensical Orwellian measure to further monitor us. Double standards in the national parks and hospitals. We are not welcome but merely allowed to exist until more ways dreamt up to exclude us.

 

Sorry bro, the TM30 is just bureaucratic insanity. I often wonder if it exist to fund the army and RTP.

 

Law has become an absolute farce since 2014.

 

I want to live in a free country and I want to know the kids have a fighting chance to make their way in the world.

 

I as you are no guest yet we exist in guest visas. My wife entered the US two weeks ago with me in less than ten minutes. I'd argue her B1 better and more flexible than my tedious O visa. Ten years as well.

 

You have a valid point but there's obviously huge resentment and anger. Very inscrutable actions.

 

The great Oz runs the show now.

 

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1 hour ago, metempsychotic said:

Nice story, but how, exactly does it answer the ops question or even relate to any other post in the thread. 

Op is bashing farangs because of a few bitter geezers. Op implies that farangs mainly talk <deleted> about Thai people for no reason.

I have tried to show that the reality is slightly different. There are justifiable reasons why westerners talk <deleted> about Thailand. 

 

 

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45 minutes ago, garrya said:

Op is bashing farangs because of a few bitter geezers. Op implies that farangs mainly talk <deleted> about Thai people for no reason.

I have tried to show that the reality is slightly different. There are justifiable reasons why westerners talk <deleted> about Thailand. 

 

 

Yeah, but you actually didn't say any of that though did you? 

 

And nobody actually argues that Thailand doesn't have sigficant room for improvement, or myriad flaws, however, op is not talking about mere criticism, it is talking about the outright disdain and disrespect often shown by foreigners towards Thailand and its people as a whole. 

 

So while I'm sorry your wife wants to leave Thailand, and has had difficulty resettling here, I suspect she does not think it is filled with backward morons and a culture of stupidity as is often put forth here. 

 

 

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Nobody anywhere takes outright criticism well, myself included!!! why expect people to accept it with good grace?

 

I learn from my Thai family and they happily teach. My Thai family learn from me on occasion, not that I can do things better, just different, sometimes they like to watch and learn to do different too 😃 even though sometimes I must accept there is a little mocking of my ways. I have learnt to avoid direct criticism because often it is a case of each to their own.

 

I would be very surprised if Thai visa is not given at least a cursory glance by the appropriate officials relating to certain topics, and thus perhaps inadvertently discovering the demeanor of the posters. If for no other reason than it is so easy to do!

 

I think the input from Yinn leaves a clear picture of the impression that can be inflicted

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10 hours ago, NanLaew said:

You'd be surprised...

Yes I would.

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14 hours ago, metempsychotic said:

Yeah, but you actually didn't say any of that though did you? 

 

And nobody actually argues that Thailand doesn't have sigficant room for improvement, or myriad flaws, however, op is not talking about mere criticism, it is talking about the outright disdain and disrespect often shown by foreigners towards Thailand and its people as a whole. 

 

So while I'm sorry your wife wants to leave Thailand, and has had difficulty resettling here, I suspect she does not think it is filled with backward morons and a culture of stupidity as is often put forth here. 

 

 

My missus hasn't had a difficulty resettling here. She has had a difficulty understanding <deleted> is wrong with this country and its people. She used to like her country and believed how wonderful this nation was. Then she has had the chance to see the world and now she has a more negative opinion on her own country than most of these so-called bitter farangs. 

Remember this: It does not matter what people say, it matters who says it. 

Thailand is not a place that has room for improvement, but it's a place that needs a major revamp. I am not a basher and I am not a person who criticizes for fun or because of boredom, and I wouldn't do that openly, but let's be real; we all understand why loads of farangs show disrespect towards Thailand. 

Some people wear those extra-thick rose-tinted glasses, but some don't. 

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3 minutes ago, garrya said:

My missus hasn't had a difficulty resettling here. She has had a difficulty understanding <deleted> is wrong with this country and its people. She used to like her country and believed how wonderful this nation was. Then she has had the chance to see the world and now she has a more negative opinion on her own country than most of these so-called bitter farangs. 

Remember this: It does not matter what people say, it matters who says it. 

Thailand is not a place that has room for improvement, but it's a place that needs a major revamp. I am not a basher and I am not a person who criticizes for fun or because of boredom, and I wouldn't do that openly, but let's be real; we all understand why loads of farangs show disrespect towards Thailand. 

Some people wear those extra-thick rose-tinted glasses, but some don't. 

I think the rose tinted glasses are more frequently worn by those looking to western history and lifestyle as a sound example 😃

The authoritarian approach is imposed with a little more subtlety in western nations - take brexit the power of the people, have your say........really?

 

 

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42 minutes ago, 473geo said:

I think the rose tinted glasses are more frequently worn by those looking to western history and lifestyle as a sound example 😃

The authoritarian approach is imposed with a little more subtlety in western nations - take brexit the power of the people, have your say........really?

 

 

Well, we all could write a list of advantages and disadvantages of living here, living there... We all have our priorities and values.

We can talk about Politics, but it is a tainted nasty thing all over the world. We can talk about history, cuisine, laws, education etc. 

It is a matter of perception how people look at things. (I have a Thai acquaintance who BELIEVES there is no issue with Thai Police, nor does he think corruption is significant in Thailand. There is no point in arguing with him for sure. He is definitely wearing the newest model of rose-tinted glasses)

We can put our heads in the sand, but the problems won't disappear. Facts are stubborn things no matter what our wishes are.

There are nasty people, bad services, corruption, etc. everywhere in the world. But what's the likelihood of experiencing something unpleasant? 

 

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2 minutes ago, 473geo said:

So why is your perception that those who accept life is a little different, more relaxed about certain rules and regulations, even less complicated perhaps in Thailand, that they are looking through 'rose tinted glasses'?

I would say some people are capable of appreciating the benefits of Thailand, and if they are smart they operate within the system that works for the Thai people. Otherwise probably living a life of missed opportunity and expectations leading to a negative view of their adopted country.

 

I see Thailand moving forward in its own inimitable way, sadly the failure is most likely to be the following of western consumer culture. There is a great deal to be said for family values, community spirit, and the subsistence package that sets Thailand apart from much of the world these days.

You answered the question. The system that works for Thai people ... 

That is the answer to why those bitter farangs bad-mouth. They do not understand this rather "peculiar" system, call it "ostrich policy"?

I believe even those bitter old fellows appreciate some benefits of living in Thailand, but then no one really cares. They also contribute, but again, no one really cares. Both sides are just as biased as they can be. I see that the criticism usually causes an uproar. BUT Why not listen instead? 

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41 minutes ago, garrya said:

You answered the question. The system that works for Thai people ... 

That is the answer to why those bitter farangs bad-mouth. They do not understand this rather "peculiar" system, call it "ostrich policy"?

I believe even those bitter old fellows appreciate some benefits of living in Thailand, but then no one really cares. They also contribute, but again, no one really cares. Both sides are just as biased as they can be. I see that the criticism usually causes an uproar. BUT Why not listen instead? 

 I agreed with everything you said , and gave you a like, but I am not sure I understood  the last sentence.

I don't think it is so much bias , which of course exists but realising our bias (as you seem to do) and putting it in the proper perspective. 

We all suffer from culture shock, not only in Thailand, My wife is in the US 10 years now and still has difficulty with some of the cultural practices there.I have a spunky. intelligent daughter from another marriage who is a bit of a  hippy and a bit of a slob, Studying to be a lawyer (3.8 CPA very proud:smile:)  You should see the fur fly, with me always in the middle getting the worst of it. .  My ex-wife lives close by, we still have an amicable friendly, relationship, we have a daughter together and talk about what's best for her often, care what happens to each other and try to help when we can. My Thai wife does not  like it at all.  

It is natural for Farangs in Thailand and it is natural for Thais in the West. The difference is how we react to it. 

We can certainly talk about it , but we can do it in objective, respectful terms. 

Like you did, and like the poster you were answering too did.  Not calling our hosts all short of pejorative terms I would not repeat.

Bottom line,This is my wife, my Mother in law, my father in law , our children they are talking about  :sad:

 I am very protective of my family. Some litle <deleted> who could not get laid in the west with a Thousand dollar bill pasted on his forehead ,  comes over here  and bad mouth my family .............'nough said getting <deleted> off just thinking about it.

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On 10/10/2019 at 6:52 PM, CharlieH said:

I believe far too many people (expats) place too much importance on their presence here and whether or not it really matters in the large scheme of things.

you right man

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