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17 minutes ago, sandyf said:

"the way it is" - is going to change, just waiting to see how.

When things change, points of view also tend to.

What is going to change ?

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1 hour ago, stephenterry said:

It might surprise you, but that is false. They are entrusted, most of all, in to decide what's best for the country they serve - i.e. 65 million people, not a minority 17 million. That's political democracy in action in the UK.

 

As for 'the will of the people' this is the 17 million minority who voted to leave the EU in 2016. As far as today's MPS are concerned, what a 17 million minority want is not a democratic rationale in 2019. 

 

 

So all those MP's that get all pontifical on television interviews and say they are simply there to serve the needs of their constituents ARE LYING?

 

I am soooo gutted.

 

What are you on about 65 million people? Only THOSE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE can vote; a little over 46 million of them, not all 65 million. Sheesh!

 

When you consider that only about 33.5 million of them bothered to tick a box in 2016, your paltry 17 million is STILL the majority. Take you shoes and socks off if you don't trust you fingers to do the arithmetic.

 

But I'm sure this was all cleared up many, many, MANY years ago.

 

So why do Remainers persist in their straw clutching?

 

I mean beyond 'because they can'?

 

 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, sanemax said:

What is going to change ?

Can't believe you actually asked that.

Personally I would hope nothing but not much chance of that.

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46 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Mr Mitchell said the European Union played a part in thawing relations between the Republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom which enabled the Northern Ireland peace process and was central to the Good Friday Agreement.

"I don't think the European Union was essential in the [Good Friday Agreement] talks themselves, but I believe the talks would never have occurred had there not been a European Union."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-42412972

 

When the EU received the 2012 Nobel Peace Prize, Northern Ireland’s peace process undoubtedly influenced the decision. EU policymakers were supportive of both civil society activists and programme managers throughout the worst days of “The Troubles”, when what was to become the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement seemed utopian.

https://www.newstatesman.com/2018/03/we-helped-negotiate-good-friday-agreement-we-cannot-allow-brexit-destroy-it

And there was me thinking it was all enabled by Bill Clinton and Senator Mitchell.

 

Reading your BBC article, Mitchell does indeed say, "The Good Friday Agreement would never have happened without the European Union, ..."

 

But speaking to BBC's Talkback, he also goes on to say, "Brexit was a mistake..."

 

Now that fits the Remainers narrative masterfully especially coming up a year and a half after the Brexit vote and only 6 months after Theresa May's catastrophic snap election threw a lifeline to the Remainers.

 

Give him his due he does also say, "...the vote to leave the EU must be respected."

 

But he's tainted goods. Sorry.

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As ever Conservative Home stripped of rhetoric lays out the hurdles that Johnson has to overcome and quickly...

 

Then there is the prospect of vote on a second EU referendum next weekend – which Keir Starmer and Tory Remainers alike will push for.
Our best guess is that the numbers will not be there for a referendum in the event of a deal, but could be if there is No Deal.  How many of the 21 want to stop a No Deal Brexit – and how many to stop Brexit altogether? A referendum vote next weekend would tell us.

 

Whether there’s an extension or not, Johnson will need the DUP, the Spartans, some of the 21 and some Labour MPs not only for any votes next weekend, but for those on any Bill which seeks to implement his deal.  It isn’t just next Saturday that could be a nightmare for the Conservative Whips.

 

https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/10/ten-hurdles-that-johnson-must-leap-even-if-a-deal-is-agreed-this-week.html

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So all those MP's that get all pontifical on television interviews and say they are simply there to serve the needs of their constituents ARE LYING?
 
I am soooo gutted.
 
What are you on about 65 million people? Only THOSE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE can vote; a little over 46 million of them, not all 65 million. Sheesh!
 
When you consider that only about 33.5 million of them bothered to tick a box in 2016, your paltry 17 million is STILL the majority. Take you shoes and socks off if you don't trust you fingers to do the arithmetic.
 
But I'm sure this was all cleared up many, many, MANY years ago.
 
So why do Remainers persist in their straw clutching?
 
I mean beyond 'because they can'?
 
 
 
 
What counts is the voting in Parliament. Hard Brexiteer moaning on the sidelines notwithstanding.

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Farage live on LBC now saying biggest fear now is Parliament votes for deal attached to referendum. Which he considers quite possible. 

 

Swinson backing  , Labour to whip ongoing talks with Nats and Indies......

 

Farage saying BP will boycott any such ref. 

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6 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Farage live on LBC now saying biggest fear now is Parliament votes for deal attached to referendum. Which he considers quite possible. 

Oh dear God yes. Please make this happen.

The gammonplosion would be a joy to behold.

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17 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Oh dear God yes. Please make this happen.

The gammonplosion would be a joy to behold.

It is the only logical remain ++ route forward anymore and one which clips Johnson's wings. One problem is SNP may worry that remaining may stymie any indyref2 - Corbyn would probably have to offer that to get them onboard. Leave Labour candidates can offer it up as Brexit option given back to the people. If Cons ultimately accept a successful referendum vote then Farage will go full out to target Cons at election. 

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Farage live on LBC now saying biggest fear now is Parliament votes for deal attached to referendum. Which he considers quite possible. 
 
Swinson backing  , Labour to whip ongoing talks with Nats and Indies......
 
Farage saying BP will boycott any such ref. 
The Hard Brexiteers are neither interested in a deal or remain. Off the cliff only.

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20 hours ago, sanemax said:

You're nearly old enough to be my dad

 

     Links ?.  Downloads accepted , in good faith . 555 

 

     Bttopic ,   Plan B,  aka as plan Boris ,  will be rejected ,  by our elected informed, UK Parliament members...

      OCT 31 ,    mark it in your diary .  brexiteers welcome .

          

 

 

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17 hours ago, NanLaew said:

So all those MP's that get all pontifical on television interviews and say they are simply there to serve the needs of their constituents ARE LYING?

 

I am soooo gutted.

 

What are you on about 65 million people? Only THOSE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE can vote; a little over 46 million of them, not all 65 million. Sheesh!

 

When you consider that only about 33.5 million of them bothered to tick a box in 2016, your paltry 17 million is STILL the majority. Take you shoes and socks off if you don't trust you fingers to do the arithmetic.

 

But I'm sure this was all cleared up many, many, MANY years ago.

 

So why do Remainers persist in their straw clutching?

 

I mean beyond 'because they can'?

 

 

 

 

A failure to understand what's best for Britain. Last time I looked, there are c.65 million people in the UK. The MPs serve the needs of their constituents  - that means ALL of them, whether they voted or not, and certainly not just pandering to a minority whether it's leavers or remainers.

 

In case you don't realise, their constituents have more important domestic issues that they're concerned about, like loss of jobs, medical care, pension entitlements, benefits, and government austerity programmes, not some ideological folly which hasn't materially affected them at all - apart from now having to pay for it in the future.   

 

 

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18 hours ago, NanLaew said:

And there was me thinking it was all enabled by Bill Clinton and Senator Mitchell.

 

Reading your BBC article, Mitchell does indeed say, "The Good Friday Agreement would never have happened without the European Union, ..."

 

But speaking to BBC's Talkback, he also goes on to say, "Brexit was a mistake..."

 

Now that fits the Remainers narrative masterfully especially coming up a year and a half after the Brexit vote and only 6 months after Theresa May's catastrophic snap election threw a lifeline to the Remainers.

 

Give him his due he does also say, "...the vote to leave the EU must be respected."

 

But he's tainted goods. Sorry.

Well you are consistent, analyse a small piece of text and use it as a distraction. Everything else becomes insignificant.

Really surprised you didn't make out the Nobel Peace Prize was a mistake, after all according to the brexiteer the EU is evil personified.

 

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51 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

In case you don't realise, their constituents have more important domestic issues that they're concerned about, like loss of jobs, medical care, pension entitlements, benefits, and government austerity programmes, not some ideological folly which hasn't materially affected them at all - apart from now having to pay for it in the future.   

 

Exactly. This is why a GE can never be used as the answer to the brexit question, would only create an even more contentious result.

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