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1 minute ago, elliss said:

 

      Nigel Farage ,  wake up .....

he's on a fag break on his Bob Dylan Never Ending Conference Tour......

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8 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

he's on a fag break on his Bob Dylan Never Ending Conference Tour......

  

      Longer the break the better , i will gladly buy him twenty Senior Service ,  aka tar sticks , 

      Ah , those were the days, i was a woodie man , working class ,  and proud ..555

 

 

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From a Brexiteer over at Conservative Home.......if true Nige is going to go peak sell-out - well trusting BoJo is impossible we all knew that.

 

https://www.conservativehome.com/video/2019/10/watch-barnier-talks-on-the-backstop-have-been-constructive.html

 

So it looks like Boris is reverting to type and it will be May's deal all in, with perhaps a new title, a new header page and a new font.

What now my flip flopping Conservative Brexiteer friends, what on earth are you going to do this time.Let me think what was it like after Maastricht and Lisbon?

 

If my memory serves me correctly , those who had their eyes opened to Conservative Party deceit on matters EU left the party never to return, and those who believe in the Tooth Fairy and Father Christmas used the well worn cop out of ' I'll give the party one last chance, as I am sure when we get another leader we will return to Conservatism' became rampant apologists for the party, whilst depositing their principles and self respect in the recycling bin.

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3 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

From a Brexiteer over at Conservative Home.......if true Nige is going to go peak sell-out - well trusting BoJo is impossible we all knew that.

 

https://www.conservativehome.com/video/2019/10/watch-barnier-talks-on-the-backstop-have-been-constructive.html

 

So it looks like Boris is reverting to type and it will be May's deal all in, with perhaps a new title, a new header page and a new font.

What now my flip flopping Conservative Brexiteer friends, what on earth are you going to do this time.Let me think what was it like after Maastricht and Lisbon?

 

If my memory serves me correctly , those who had their eyes opened to Conservative Party deceit on matters EU left the party never to return, and those who believe in the Tooth Fairy and Father Christmas used the well worn cop out of ' I'll give the party one last chance, as I am sure when we get another leader we will return to Conservatism' became rampant apologists for the party, whilst depositing their principles and self respect in the recycling bin.

Looks like there will be no 2nd referendum so no remain options you must be tearing your hair out based on your recent posts

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11 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Looks like there will be no 2nd referendum so no remain options you must be tearing your hair out based on your recent posts

Who knows what will happen I'm speculating what I consider a route forward in which the country gets to step away from the cliff edge - no more Project Fear - just real life consequences....

 

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33 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Who knows what will happen I'm speculating what I consider a route forward in which the country gets to step away from the cliff edge - no more Project Fear - just real life consequences....

 

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Regardless of Brexit or no Brexit The majority of Japanese companies will relocated back to Japan within 10 years now  there a EU-Japan deal in place no need to have plants or offices in the UK or EU

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28 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Regardless of Brexit or no Brexit The majority of Japanese companies will relocated back to Japan within 10 years now  there a EU-Japan deal in place no need to have plants or offices in the UK or EU

errr demographics issue no youngsters taking their place and UK had a good record on business stability and a dedicated hard working workforce. Well done Brexiteers for helping smash that one.  Anyway referendum deal or remain and let's move on. 

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Some cogent thoughts from my favorite site Conservative Home from someone who professes to be in the 'know' ....Johnson would sell his own grannie for any deal however bad that can be spun if we are presumed to leave on the 31st. And that's why EU willing referendum on deal / remain after 31st then election. AND FOR WHAT ?

 

https://www.intensedebate.com/people/Ricardos_Ghost

 

I  knew Johnson would be a bad negotiator but I didn't think he's be this bad.

Northern Ireland gets full alignment with the Single Market, whilst Great Britain is expected (under a Johnson government) to start diverging sharply.

Northern Ireland gets the Chequers treatment - a customs arrangement that when it was proposed for the UK as a whole Johnson resigned in protest. That would mean (if true) that all GB goods going to Northern Ireland would face full EU tariffs (kiss goodbye to any meat 'exports' going from GB to Belfast) and some poor soul is going to have to devise a scheme for people to apply to get their tariff payments back if and when they can prove that the products were consumed in Northern Ireland and not moved on to the Republic of Ireland. That will be accompanied with a heavy inspection regime across Northern Ireland to check everyone's not defrauding the authorities (pity the officials who have to try and inspect businesses in Derry, Enniskillen and Armagh).

 

The real kicker will be to discover what we're planning to do to control for produce from the Republic of Ireland using Northern Ireland as a bridge to enter Great Britain - customs and inspections at Stranraer and Liverpool? Oh and raising consent as an issue is clearly now going to mean Northern Ireland's assembly gets the ability to vote to leave the Backstop - i.e. they can leave, but only when Sinn Fein agree.

 

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9 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

errr demographics issue no youngsters taking their place and UK had a good record on business stability and a dedicated hard working workforce. Well done Brexiteers for helping smash that one.  Anyway referendum deal or remain and let's move on. 

If you want to blame anyone blame the EU if there was no EU-Japan deal then I am sure Nissan would remain in Europe be it the UK or somewhere else in the EU the same applies with Honda they have chosen to move back to Japan. simple business economics which costs more 2 factories , one in the UK/EU and one in Japan or just one in Japan

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2 hours ago, elliss said:

 

      Nigel Farage ,   your big boss ,   wake up .....

 

 

 

I wasn’t aware that he had been elected to the House that you referred to...

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1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

If you want to blame anyone blame the EU if there was no EU-Japan deal then I am sure Nissan would remain in Europe be it the UK or somewhere else in the EU the same applies with Honda they have chosen to move back to Japan. simple business economics which costs more 2 factories , one in the UK/EU and one in Japan or just one in Japan

Anyway rear view mirror  - let's look forward at what can be achieved and soon . Johnson gets a deal - Parliament can accept that deal and he can emerge triumphant like the Emperor he wants to be or we put that deal and remain to a referendum to the British people - the outcome which will be legally binding. Then election and NO MORE BREXIT. 

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8 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Some cogent thoughts from my favorite site Conservative Home from someone who professes to be in the 'know' ....Johnson would sell his own grannie for any deal however bad that can be spun if we are presumed to leave on the 31st. And that's why EU willing referendum on deal / remain after 31st then election. 

 

https://www.intensedebate.com/people/Ricardos_Ghost

 

I  knew Johnson would be a bad negotiator but I didn't think he's be this bad.

Northern Ireland gets full alignment with the Single Market, whilst Great Britain is expected (under a Johnson government) to start diverging sharply.

Northern Ireland gets the Chequers treatment - a customs arrangement that when it was proposed for the UK as a whole Johnson resigned in protest. That would mean (if true) that all GB goods going to Northern Ireland would face full EU tariffs (kiss goodbye to any meat 'exports' going from GB to Belfast) and some poor soul is going to have to devise a scheme for people to apply to get their tariff payments back if and when they can prove that the products were consumed in Northern Ireland and not moved on to the Republic of Ireland. That will be accompanied with a heavy inspection regime across Northern Ireland to check everyone's not defrauding the authorities (pity the officials who have to try and inspect businesses in Derry, Enniskillen and Armagh).

 

The real kicker will be to discover what we're planning to do to control for produce from the Republic of Ireland using Northern Ireland as a bridge to enter Great Britain - customs and inspections at Stranraer and Liverpool? Oh and raising consent as an issue is clearly now going to mean Northern Ireland's assembly gets the ability to vote to leave the Backstop - i.e. they can leave, but only when Sinn Fein agree.

 

Brexit latest: No extension without new referendum or an election, EU insists

2 days ago an EU offical is quoted as no extension without  a new referendum or an election that means one or the other unlikely to be a new referendum unless the ballot paper choices are between deal and no deal 

 

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Just now, vinny41 said:

Brexit latest: No extension without new referendum or an election, EU insists

an EU offical is quoted as no extension without  a new referendum or an election that means one or the other unlikely to be a new referendum unless the ballot paper choices are between deal and no deal 

 

"2 days ago"

 

Overruled by latest talks …! and blinks

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1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Anyway rear view mirror  - let's look forward at what can be achieved and soon . Johnson gets a deal - Parliament can accept that deal and he can emerge triumphant like the Emperor he wants to be or we put that deal and remain to a referendum to the British people - the outcome which will be legally binding. Then election and NO MORE BREXIT. 

Or no more referendum the country has already decided on remain and leave so if there was a new referendum the choices would be deal or no deal

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