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4 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Only at some embassies and official consulates in some of the home country of the person applying.

The embassy and honorary consulates in the UK will issue a single entry non-o for retirement with financial proof.  One cannot be applied for anywhere in the USA or Australia.

There are also a few honorary consulates that can still issue them.

This reply show's what a mess this is.

Only at some Embassies or consulates.

UK yes but US and Australia . NO.

A few others will.  The same police orders but  a zillion interpretations..

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  On 10/11/2019 at 2:39 PM, RedPill said:

Ok, that was my point yesterday in a different thread.

 

If the new health insurance requirements as 'pre-requirement' for O-A .... then why not the next stop to make it also a requirement for the retirement extension thereafter. 

 

And then we would already be in the extensions, too  ... it's not that crazy of a thought this could easily happen.

 

It would even make sense. Why only for the O-A for the first year, but not for the extension which opened the door to it?

 

 

 

 

I was coming in Thailand from europe with an OA visa 5 years ago

it was my only one visa i have ever had to come here

and i am staying here since 5 years with each year a 1 year extension of stay based on retirement.

Anyway I have to renew my 1 year extension of stay based on retirment at Jomtiem immigration office next  tuesday, so i can ask the question for 2020 when i have to renew again,if i have to show an insurance proof and i'll let you know here the IO answer given to me.//

 

Well as promised i am back with some facts

i was today in Jomtiem immigration office and i have had my passeport back with my extension of stay based on retirement, i have asked to the 2 immigration officers presents at the desk 8 and they have

confirmed next year if i want my extension of stay for 1 year i need to present a certificate of health insurance as required by the new law because i have had an OA visa granted 5 years ago.

It's very infortunate because for some reasons i have 0 intention to go this way, so i have 1 year to try to find another option or it should be my last year in Thailand. 

 

 

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16 hours ago, kingofthemountain said:
  On 10/11/2019 at 2:39 PM, RedPill said:

Ok, that was my point yesterday in a different thread.

If the new health insurance requirements as 'pre-requirement' for O-A .... then why not the next stop to make it also a requirement for the retirement extension thereafter. 

And then we would already be in the extensions, too  ... it's not that crazy of a thought this could easily happen.

It would even make sense. Why only for the O-A for the first year, but not for the extension which opened the door to it?

 

I was coming in Thailand from europe with an OA visa 5 years ago

it was my only one visa i have ever had to come here

and i am staying here since 5 years with each year a 1 year extension of stay based on retirement.

Anyway I have to renew my 1 year extension of stay based on retirment at Jomtiem immigration office next  tuesday, so i can ask the question for 2020 when i have to renew again,if i have to show an insurance proof and i'll let you know here the IO answer given to me.//

 

Well as promised i am back with some facts

i was today in Jomtiem immigration office and i have had my passeport back with my extension of stay based on retirement, i have asked to the 2 immigration officers presents at the desk 8 and they have

confirmed next year if i want my extension of stay for 1 year i need to present a certificate of health insurance as required by the new law because i have had an OA visa granted 5 years ago.

It's very infortunate because for some reasons i have 0 intention to go this way, so i have 1 year to try to find another option or it should be my last year in Thailand. 

I also just renewed my "retirement" extension and asked about status of health insurance requirement, and pretty much was given the same answer by Imm officials at Jomtien office, though nothing is yet black & white about this.

 

I do not plan on staying in Thailand on a long-stay visa once my present one expires but I'm curious if a "traveler's insurance" policy would meet the requirements.  Does anyone know?

 

I've always had travelers insurance since coming to Thailand on a tourist visa, and continued with it when I switched to a long-stay visa.  The insurer said there was no problem with having such coverage even though I am here on a long stay visa.  The coverage is excellent as far as medical/health coverage goes, and exceeds the Thai requirements in terms of in-patient coverage.  The annual cost and ease of getting coverage is not nearly as daunting as other alternatives such as Cigna, etc.

 

Just throwing this idea out there to explore for those who feel they may find themselves "between a rock and hard place" when/if this rule goes into effect.

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Unfortunately as it currently stands it appears that only a policy from one of the 13 listed companies will be accepted except for new OA visas where a foreign policy can be used for the first entry only -- provided the insurer signs a certificate stating it complies with the Cabinet Resolution which may be hard to arrange.

This is contrary to various assurrances given prior to the Poluce Order that any policy including foreign which met the 400/40k criteria would be accepted. Local insurance brokers have been trying to get higjer level clarification but so far without success.

Meanwhile reports are that many Imm Offices are telling people only insurance bought in Thailand from one of the listed companies is allowed.



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Good God this is insane, why are people asking Immigration? 

OK here is something worth asking immigration:  if we pay for medical insurance coverage will we no longer be required to keep Bt 400.000 or need Bt 800.000 for subsequent extensions?

  

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In that case jomtien is wrong. Why do not all that are affected of this call the Immigration hotline, instead of making absolutely no difference here?

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23 minutes ago, WaveHunter said:

I don't think the banks would be too thrilled about that.  The required 800/400 was designed specifically to benefit their interests and no other.  This new health insurance requirement is designed to benefit the Thai based Insurance companies who are part of the "Group of 13".   I hate being a cynic, but it's really pretty obvious what's going on here, and it's not a good thing at all.

This seems to become more and more obvious now.

 

And if the reason for all this is as stated by @WaveHunter, then any advantageous proposals such as having money in the bank instead of insurance as alternative etc. will fall on deaf ears.

 

Even trying not to be apocalyptic this mandatory insurance under the current premises might develop into the biggest threat to the expat community ever experienced with consequences unheard of. And it seems to be already bad enough as it stands.

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29 minutes ago, moogradod said:

Even trying not to be apocalyptic this mandatory insurance under the current premises might develop into the biggest threat to the expat community ever experienced with consequences unheard of. And it seems to be already bad enough as it stands.

What are you talking about? its mandatory for 14% of expats according to the current poll on TV

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59 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

In that case jomtien is wrong. Why do not all that are affected of this call the Immigration hotline, instead of making absolutely no difference here?

I post here because in my experience measures like 90 day reports, TM 30 and now insurance for all retirees are uninitiated, it could be us doing it or Immigration launching rumours to see if they float. 

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4 minutes ago, tgeezer said:

I post here because in my experience measures like 90 day reports, TM 30 and now insurance for all retirees are uninitiated, it could be us doing it or Immigration launching rumours to see if they float. 

I do understand that, and that everbody wants to hear if more people experienced the same thing. Sure, but there must also be a reaction from all that is treated wrongly, that they does not only complain and post there experience here. They have a hotline for people to call. Then everybody that get the wrong treatment must use it. Tell which office and what they have been wrongly asked for.

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