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15 hours ago, British Bulldog said:

Honestly, I cannot believe this BS ... they still keep going on about the high baht as the excuse why people aren't going to Thailand, so lets look at a realistic, but a hypothetical scenario. Supposing somebody decided that they really wanted to go and check out the mystical eastern Country of Thailand, and they 'really' want to go there ... they wouldn't be overly concerned about the exchange rate (Unless it was something ridiculous) ... if somebody came here say 1 year ago and had $10,000 USD to spend, at say; 31.8 baht to the USD, they would have had 318,000 baht to spend, if they came here today, today's exchange rate is 30.42 baht giving them 304,000 baht to spend ... so come on, you reckon people would change their mind over the difference in exchange rate of less than $500 USD ??? Of course not .... it the stories they hear about Violent Taxi drivers, taxi drivers who rip you off, con men on the streets, bombs near shopping centers, violence, rapes and murders and various Islands and alike ... Jet Ski scams and so on .... is the Thai Government that naive ... that tourist do not go back home and talk about these incidents whether they were directly involved with such an incident or not ... word travels fast !

What a whole load of baloney. Those things happen in many western counties. Need to keep your wits about anywhere.

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1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

While that may be true for the long stay community, the average western tourist arrives on a visa exempt entry, stays at a booked hotel, goes on a few tours, and departs.

I doubt any of us have heard of a normal tourist being turned away, and I doubt they go on TVF anyway.

That's exactly the wrong approach. For sustainable tourism, it is important that the first time visitor tourists come back. To make the normal vacationers to regular customers. But if the first time visitor gets too many negative impressions he will not come back and will not recommend in his circle of friends a holiday trip to Thailand.

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1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

While that may be true for the long stay community, the average western tourist arrives on a visa exempt entry, stays at a booked hotel, goes on a few tours, and departs.

I doubt any of us have heard of a normal tourist being turned away, and I doubt they go on TVF anyway.

 

Almost every youtube video about Thailand talks about this. Really...  Tourists hearing that a visum in their passport does not guarantee entrance are likely to go somewhere else.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Melbun said:

Huh - is there a restriction on how many times a tourist can come to Thailand ??

Yes.

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21 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

That's exactly the wrong approach. For sustainable tourism, it is important that the first time visitor tourists come back. To make the normal vacationers to regular customers. But if the first time visitor gets too many negative impressions he will not come back and will not recommend in his circle of friends a holiday trip to Thailand.

Thailand hasn't changed that much outside of Bkk. Repeat tourists will probably come back once a year on a visa exempt entry. They won't have a problem.

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5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Yes.

Wow the one word guru ?? Please explain why someone can't visit as a tourist every 2 -3 months ?

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46 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

I have been in Thailand for over 25 years. Many of my Thai family members are in the tourist business. I know many owners of restaurants, resorts, diving schools, bars, shops, travel agencies, motorbike rental companies, party organizers, etc. All. 100% all, confirm that business is down massively on the southern islands.

They should look at themselves then. The people that destroyed every decent beach in LOS with horrid concrete buildings, rip off taxi drivers, con men etc are all THAIS.

I started going when it was A frame huts and communal bathrooms, and I stopped going when the flashpacker accommodation ruined the vibe.

I loved Samui- Chaweng was fantastic. RUINED by GREED.

Loved Railay West- looking at the horrid concrete resorts there now I'll never go back. RUINED by GREED.

Loved Patong- RUINED by GREED.

Samila Beach- RUINED by GREED

Hua Hin- RUINED by GREED

Bottle Beach- RUINED by GREED

Had Rin- used to be great. Probably the best beach in LOS- RUINED by GREED

Kho Tao- RUINED by GREED.

Phi Phi- completely DESTROYED by GREED.

Phi Phi Leh- had to be closed because DESTROYED by GREED.

 

The only beaches worth going to now are difficult to get to.

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13 minutes ago, Melbun said:

Wow the one word guru ?? Please explain why someone can't visit as a tourist every 2 -3 months ?

It's been all over the forum for years now.

Tourists don't visit every 2-3 months. Get the proper visa.

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3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's been all over the forum for years now.

Tourists don't visit every 2-3 months. Get the proper visa.

Not talking about aspirations of staying long term or even 3 mths at a time. What is to prevent someone going as a tourist say 4 times a year for 2 - 3 weeks at a time. aka - 2 week millionaires ?? I don't know of any regulation preventing this occurrence.

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In addition to the many other aspects (garbage problems, sewage problems, street dogs, exchange rates, service quality, double prizing, taxi problems, scams, violence, curfew, corruption, dangerous traffic, price increases,

crazy exaggerated personal data collection (maybe soon every foreigner has to show his passport when buying at 7-11), fingerprints, TM 30, 90 days reporting, 

etc.) also the unclear visa policy has a negative effect.

 

Systematically, more and more hurdles are being set up for those who want live and / or work permanently in Thailand.

But what is often forgotten is that many expats have many friends in their homeland. Many of my friends and family members come to Thailand to visit me and to make vacation. It is nice to visit friends who live in another country.

 

So if Thailand make it more and more complicate to stay longtime for Expats, they also lose the short-term tourists from the Expats friend circle.

The visit factor: Expat to friends who visit the expat on their vacation, I estimate at

1:6 per year. 

 

For every long-term expat, who is kicked out over the exaggerated visa regulations, Thailand also loses 6 more holiday tourists. If a TAT employee understands that?

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17 hours ago, webfact said:

The number of European tourist arrivals in Thailand this year is expected to decline by 1.5 per cent year on year to around 6.66 million, according to the Kasikorn Research Centre.

1.5% is a joke... make it 30-40% then you're in the right area. This loss of income is hurting the government and local tourist businesses are having to make some hard choices, hotels etc are also thinking what to do if occupancy is below 50%.

We will see the truth on the streets come high season.. 

Tourism is an indicator of the economy in general, when it's collapsing because of the strong baht & local businesses cannot export wait for the nationwide fall-out!

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The strategy seems to be working, and the strong Baht is just assisting. There's no shortage of tourists, what Thailand is losing is the retirees that have no money and cause most of the country's problems. Stayed at Grande Centre Point Pattaya last visit, was packed out but I was almost  the only white European there the whole stay. Desk told me average 75% Chinese & 25% Korean during the week and rich Thais from BKK on weekends.

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20 minutes ago, Melbun said:

Not talking about aspirations of staying long term or even 3 mths at a time. What is to prevent someone going as a tourist say 4 times a year for 2 - 3 weeks at a time. aka - 2 week millionaires ?? I don't know of any regulation preventing this occurrence.

Have you not read any of the threads from guys got refused on exactly that? The IO doesn't know what any visitor is going to do once entered LOS. If they see several visits a year they assume it's to work and don't allow.

It's been in force for at least 3 years.

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Vested interests will keep the cost of alcohol high,they are not interested in tourists only their own self gain.I visit Thailand 3-4 times a year,the regular cry I hear from non asian tourists is the ridiculous price of alcohol. Quality spirits and wine prices are way above what the market value is or what the neighbouring countries charge.The regular chant from these european tourists is go to Vietnam or Cambodia. Myanmar and Loa are coming up fast.The singular self interests of the Thai moguls is we must get richer and the best way is rip off tourists.My future plans is now one trip a year to Thailand to catch up with inlaws and family and that will be a quick trip on our way to one of the other inviting asian countries.

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