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8 hours ago, bigginhill said:

The map of the inside of the cave clearly showed that a rigid tube was not going to go up over, down, and round obstacles. 

Most ridiculous post in the world. AND JUST WHO EXACTLY SAID IT WOULD? Elon certainly knew that made subs for each area of the cave tuned to the unique requirements he received from the cave experts in Thailand. The below sub was made for the area known as the "choke point". Absolutely phenomenal work to assemble the experts, design, develop, test, and deliver such amazing and highly useful technology to Thailand in such record time. Hats off to everyone involved.

 

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Musk is a a brilliant creep who needs to be slapped upside the head.  Really creepy guy. 

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Vernon Unsworth should also be punished for what he said on CNN as well it was very ugly.

Musk tried to help the trapped boys in what way he could.
He sent engineers to help not only about building subs but surveying, drilling, pumping, electric etc.
Then Unsworth goes on CNN a day after the rescue and tells the World Musks efforts were nothing but a Publicity Stunt!
That was a disgusting and if I was Musk I would also have been Upset and Angry about it.
Why couldn't they all just shake hands and congratulate each other on a successful joint effort?
But no Unsworth wanted all the limelight well now he's got it.
P.s just wondering if what Unsworth said on CNN wasn't meant to bait Musk?
 

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Unsorth's anger at Musk wasn't just that bizarre outburst on CNN where he had nothing at all to say about the rescue other than to insult Elon in front of millions of people. Unsworth was also furious when Elon rolled up his sleeves and personally went to Thailand and to the cave to help with the rescue should he be called upon. Vern was so furious by this that he blurted to everyone that Elon was told to leave quickly. What??? Vern also said things that are not true about the submarine. While everyone else was relieved and overjoyed after the rescue, this fellow just couldn't keep his vile mouth shut. It's not clear what caused Vern to become so unhinged and obsessed about Elon, spouting all these lines of slander. No one else was doing this. Just look at that cheeky grin. He's just so proud of himself for what he said.

 

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On 10/11/2019 at 4:23 PM, JamJar said:

 

What is it that irks you about him being branded as a diver? 

Which descriptor would you like?

A fouled mouth lowlife angry at Musk taking away his limelight.  Musk spend a lot of time and money to try and help the cave boys. People accuse Musk of publicity seeking. This is nonsense since he is one of the most talked about and written about personalities in the world. He doesn't need any publicity.
I personally think that his mini submarine would have worked out with a little modification and perhaps been even safer than the method that was actually used. Of course this remark I am making will no doubt ask me who I am to make these assumptions. I have been a commercial diving consultant and more than qualified than anybody in this country. And incidentally the first person to dive in Thailand in 1963. I could go on and on. However I consider that the divers who were involved were very brave and I did a wonderful job. And all the people who were involved and it made me sick when people like Vernon behaved in such lowlife manner. I wouldn't have used the remark that Musk made regarding his insults, I might have said something worse.

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17 hours ago, gamini said:

Unsworth is a fouled mouth lowlife, angry at Musk taking away his limelight.  Musk spend a lot of time and money to try and help the cave boys. People accuse Musk of publicity seeking. This is nonsense since he is one of the most talked about and written about personalities in the world. He doesn't need any publicity.

Where's your evidence of him being foul-mouthed? What foul language have you seen or heard him use? Yes, he used a rude expression but there was no foul language in it. 

 

I also don't see any evidence of Unsworth seeking the limelight. He pretty much stayed out of public view throughout the rescue. After it was over, CNN interviewed him once, that's it.

 

Incidentally, his knowledge of the cave system, including providing the best, most accurate map of the caves and recommending calling in the expert cave divers Rick Stanton and John Volanthen who then led the successful diving operations, was absolutely crucial to the success of the rescue. On the other hand Musk's efforts, even if well-intentioned, contributed nothing.

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Anyone here know some FACTS concerning other divers? Did anyone else complain about E.M. or was it just the one diver?

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22 hours ago, gamini said:

A fouled mouth lowlife angry at Musk taking away his limelight.  Musk spend a lot of time and money to try and help the cave boys. People accuse Musk of publicity seeking. This is nonsense since he is one of the most talked about and written about personalities in the world.

He is now, but before this episode, I had never heard of Musk .

Musk used the rescue to publicise his various companies and how good his drilling machine was .............and that his drilling machine is available for hire commercially  

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On 10/15/2019 at 4:59 AM, canopy said:

Unsorth's anger at Musk wasn't just that bizarre outburst on CNN where he had nothing at all to say about the rescue other than to insult Elon in front of millions of people. Unsworth was also furious when Elon rolled up his sleeves and personally went to Thailand and to the cave to help with the rescue should he be called upon. Vern was so furious by this that he blurted to everyone that Elon was told to leave quickly. What??? Vern also said things that are not true about the submarine. While everyone else was relieved and overjoyed after the rescue, this fellow just couldn't keep his vile mouth shut. It's not clear what caused Vern to become so unhinged and obsessed about Elon, spouting all these lines of slander. No one else was doing this. Just look at that cheeky grin. He's just so proud of himself for what he said.

 

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He was asked about it;

 

 

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Bye Bye Musk ! 

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6 hours ago, canopy said:

Vern is not a diver and didn't "dismiss" it so I disagree with both points. Vern said "He can stick his submarine where it hurts". That's an insult, not a dismissal. That's fine for some knee slapping laughs with your buddies on a bar stool, not stepping up to a CNN microphone having just that one thing to say.

 

Now if you see the system the rescuers used to rescue the kids and someone told you Elon designed it you would all be laughing your asses off and explaining how it couldn't work. Why? Simply because the word Elon was in there. The system that was used was horribly fragile, tossed the kids around like rag dolls, had never been tested, no one knew if it would work, everyone knew the odds of making it work were low, the kids were tranquilized to the point the rescuers moving them didn't know if they were alive or corpses and the doctors had signed diplomatic immunity deals to cover themselves. Not a pretty situation but it was all they had to work with. There were a number of very close calls where they almost lost a kid, but by gosh they worked their hearts off and drew off their expertise and saved every single kid. Hats off. I have nothing but admiration for everyone's contribution, including Vern's, but NOT Vern's publicity stunt.

 

Not true. Elon from the very beginning reached out to the cave experts in Thailand and when they talked, Elon listened. The experts immediately dismissed Elon's original idea of a tube pumped up with air the kids could crawl through. So you could say the sub idea can be attributed to the cave experts, not Elon and the experts on the ground encouraged Elon to develop it because in their words, it might well get used. And the other thing is Elon did not seem to be the one personally designing, building, testing, or delivering these subs. Elon connected the dots and drew upon experts who did a phenomenal job. Some were from his companies, others from other companiies. Everyone when called upon was glad to help. There were no tesla logos waved around, no publicity stunts, just nuts and bolts practical products churned out to help save the kids as best as anyone could do.

 

 

You did not see him step up to a microphone and say only that one thing. You seem ok with just making things up to suit your position.

What we see, is an excerpt from an interview where he is asked for an opinion. 

 

As to whether he was right to say it in that manner, I think it was not. But it was his opinion.

It was impolite and hurtful no doubt. But there is a big difference between being someone impolite and someone knowingly telling lies in order to ruin someone's reputation.

Worse still, paying someone to dig up dirt in order to give substance to the lie and then daring the libelled to sue him. in other words, daring Vernon to prove that he was not a paedophile.

 

 

It's not about being the perfect human being. It's about understanding where to draw the line under the matter. Banter is ok. You have a little scuffle in the playground and then show respect to each other afterwards. 

Musk's action was akin to paying someone to attack your opponent in the playground, that's just not right. 

 

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2 hours ago, KneeDeep said:

You seem ok with just making things up to suit your position.

I made nothing up. The interview was a man bashing Elon. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

2 hours ago, KneeDeep said:

What we see, is an excerpt from an interview where he is asked for an opinion. 

"He can stick his submarine where it hurts" is not an opinion, it is an insult. Again, that's fine for some knee slapping laughs with your buddies on a bar stool. And I wouldn't be so sure he just happened to be asked in an impromptu interview. Vern would have had many opportunities to talk to the press and declined. Choosing CNN and this single topic exclusively seems to indicate he deliberately sought the largest possible outlet for what he wanted to say and he wanted Elon and the world to hear this trash. And this is supported by the fact he had more insults and lies to throw at Elon publicly on later dates. In fact I have never heard Vern talk about anything other than his hatred of Elon. And that's a shame as Vern surely has a lot in there that would be fascinating to us. But all we get is this childish behavior.

 

2 hours ago, KneeDeep said:

But there is a big difference between being someone impolite and someone knowingly telling lies in order to ruin someone's reputation.

Couldn't agree more. Not being able to see or admit to yourself that Vern was telling lies to ruin Elon's reputation shows you are biased and it blinds you from the truth. I don't get this need for people to act like a cheering section at a boxing match egging the opponent and rooting for their guy. I on the other hand am capable of seeing both men did right, and both men did wrong and leave it at that so I find this behavior very strange.

 

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