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44 minutes ago, scorecard said:

'Not a squeak from the people'.

 

But let's not forget the ruthless nasty history of this guy's father also a military general (general sunthorn) and the leader of the coup 20 years ago when 200 young defenceless protesting civilians were shot down and killed in the Soi Aree area of Bkk.

 

He and his 2 coup buddies made it very plain that they were in charge like it or not, and they proven this with the incident just above. Plus the 200 bodies were thrown quickly on army trucks and whisked away, never heard of again to this day. Also to this day every attempt to investigate this matter has quickly hit a massive brick wall with severe harassing warnings to stay away.

 

All of this means that there are 200 families still don't know if their son or daughter who never came home was one of the 200 shot down openly and their body disposed of quickly.

 

I have little doubt there will be plenty of folks (esp. Bkk folks) who have not forgotten this nasty incident and would be well aware of the father and son relationship involved, and they would very strongly fear the son who is now the army Chief and is making it clear that he will ensure the military retains its' own glorious self loving brotherhood, regardless of what's practical or needed for Thailand in terms of a military force and with no concern for basic respect for the good citizens of Thailand.  

 

Very sadly it's very unlikely the parents who lost a defenseless unarmed civilian son or daughter shot down 20 years ago in cold blood or their relatives and even the broad community or their now late teenage kids will ever dare to speak up or argue with the current army general or his ilk, his faction, or any army faction.

'Very sadly it's very unlikely the parents who lost a defenseless unarmed civilian son or daughter shot down 20 years ago in cold blood or their relatives and even the broad community or their now late teenage kids will ever dare to speak up or argue with the current army general or his ilk, his faction, or any army faction.'

In some cultures (valiant cultures), such horrendous unjust experiences would make people stand up and rally even more vehemently and determinedly for justice and freedom.

Not in present-day Thailand.

People have fought against tyranny - very bravely - throughout human history. This can take the form of civil disobedience on a mass scale. Some peoples are prepared to do this - others are not.

Of course it is for the individual nation to decide for itself.

Thailand has made its choice.

 

 

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4 hours ago, bowerboy said:

But anyway...all of this talk is for absolutely nothing...it really is game over...completely and without any hope whatsoever of anything changing now....they have this place in a complete choke hold now and it is impossible for the country to get out of that grip now....the only change possible is a coup but that will bring something much worse than when have now.

 

They HAVE won. Totally. There is no denying it unfortunately.

Yeah, and they're fully endorsed by the main man too. 

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1 hour ago, bowerboy said:

Every protester through out history have faced these and bigger risks.

 

No one goes to a protest expecting to die. They know things could get out of control but no one goes into it knowingly expecting to die. When people do die it is normally the beginning of an even stronger movement for justice with those deaths as the rallying call (Bloody Sunday, Amritsar are just a couple of examples). 

 

It is no different than driving here. 200 people is just 3 days death toll. No one expects to die when they drive their vehicle but yet many do. It doesn’t stop them driving. What is the difference? I have protested before and things got very ugly...wrong place at the wrong time is part and parcel of it...no one expects to be in the wrong place at the wrong time but it can happen.

 

Look what is happening elsewhere in Asia and around the world....the risks are the same there (if not greater) then they are here.

 

Also that is the first I have ever heard of 200 civilians being shot down...what is the source of that please? If that had been the case then surely it would be there alongside Thammasat University in the annals of history (far less than 200). 

It's true that it's rarely spoken of and there has been no real investigation (because of fear) but it did happen, but nobody (nobody) wants to talk about it, and from the comments of informed Thais (not hi-so folks) everybody is too frightened to talk about it.

 

The military leaders of that coup were: Sunthorn, Suchinda and Narong.  

 

They conducted a coup by arresting the then PM Chatchai Choonhaven and his family and cronies on a departing international flight, for massive open corruption.

 

Immediately following the three generals set themselves up as the new leaders / 'government' of Thailand.

 

Suchinda decided it would be nice to the PM of Thailand and he went right ahead and appointed himself as PM, between playing golf.

 

Narong liked old trains, so he ordered the army to lay a set of rail tracks for a couple of hundred meters at his farm and then had the old restored imobile engine and carriages transported and set down on the new rail tracks on his farm.

 

Sunthorn surprised many by suddenly giving thaksin an exclusive licence to start and operate a privately owned telecoms company. At that time it was law that all telecoms operations had to be owned and operated by the state. Thaksin went right ahead and got the monopoly operation started and charged exorbitant rates for mobile phones and services. 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Immediately following the three generals set themselves up as the new leaders / 'government' of Thailand.

 

Suchinda decided it would be nice to the PM of Thailand and he went right ahead and appointed himself as PM, between playing golf.

 

Narong liked old trains, so he ordered the army to lay a set of rail tracks for a couple of hundred meters at his farm and then had the old restored imobile engine and carriages transported and set down on the new rail tracks on his farm.

 

Sunthorn surprised many by suddenly giving thaksin an exclusive licence to start and operate a privately owned telecoms company. At that time it was law that all telecoms operations had to be owned and operated by the state. Thaksin went right ahead and got the monopoly operation started and charged exorbitant rates for mobile phones and services. 

 

And the rest that followed from them is illustrious history!  :cheesy:

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9 hours ago, scorecard said:

The military leaders of that coup were: Sunthorn, Suchinda and Narong.  

 

They conducted a coup by arresting the then PM Chatchai Choonhaven and his family and cronies on a departing international flight, for massive open corruption.

 

Immediately following the three generals set themselves up as the new leaders / 'government' of Thailand.

 

Were they really the leaders ?  Or a couple of puppets following orders from a higher authority?

 

 

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9 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

Sunthorn surprised many by suddenly giving thaksin an exclusive licence to start and operate a privately owned telecoms company. At that time it was law that all telecoms operations had to be owned and operated by the state. Thaksin went right ahead and got the monopoly operation started and charged exorbitant rates for mobile phones and services. 

Gutsy move to take such business risk when penetration of telephone was relatively limited at a 3.3 ratio of telephone lines per 100 population and mobile phone was in its infancy. 

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On 10/11/2019 at 3:33 PM, webfact said:

Army Commander-in-Chief Gen Apirat Kongsompong warned this morning that Thailand is facing what he described as a “hybrid warfare” being waged by a collection of “ill-intentioned politicians”,

Otherwise known as "the opposition party"

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13 hours ago, londonthai said:

he promised not  to meddle in politics, but he does it again.

he is the next coup maker, when prayuth fails his boss

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-thailand-politics/thai-opposition-accuses-army-chief-of-meddling-in-politics-instigating-hatred-idUSKBN1WR0BQ

 

Could well be true however it wouldn't surprise me if he runs out of patience and springs a coup at any moment.

 

He's just as ruthless as his nasty father and no doubt well indoctrinated by his father and his ilk that the military are paramount above the citizens and the military must be highly glorified, if by force if needed. 

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On 10/11/2019 at 3:33 PM, webfact said:

Army Commander-in-Chief Gen Apirat Kongsompong warned this morning that Thailand is facing what he described as a “hybrid warfare” being waged by a collection of “ill-intentioned politicians”,  remnants of communist ideologues and “foreign forces” against the country’s major establishments.

What is his delirium against the communists?

Has he ever forgotten that his best friends, the Chinese, are communists, even if their market economy has little to do with communism.

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Hard to believe that the son of a man who committed a coup against the Thai people and government, a criminal for breaking the law and violating the constitution, should be such a head-up-his-asss military fanatic who doesn't believe in Democracy. ????

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16 hours ago, scorecard said:

'Not a squeak from the people'.

 

But let's not forget the ruthless nasty history of this guy's father also a military general (general sunthorn) and the leader of the coup 20 years ago when 200 young defenceless protesting civilians were shot down and killed in the Soi Aree area of Bkk.

 

He and his 2 coup buddies made it very plain that they were in charge like it or not, and they proven this with the incident just above. Plus the 200 bodies were thrown quickly on army trucks and whisked away, never heard of again to this day. Also to this day every attempt to investigate this matter has quickly hit a massive brick wall with severe harassing warnings to stay away.

 

All of this means that there are 200 families still don't know if their son or daughter who never came home was one of the 200 shot down openly and their body disposed of quickly.

 

I have little doubt there will be plenty of folks (esp. Bkk folks) who have not forgotten this nasty incident and would be well aware of the father and son relationship involved, and they would very strongly fear the son who is now the army Chief and is making it clear that he will ensure the military retains its' own glorious self loving brotherhood, regardless of what's practical or needed for Thailand in terms of a military force and with no concern for basic respect for the good citizens of Thailand.  

 

Very sadly it's very unlikely the parents who lost a defenseless unarmed civilian son or daughter shot down 20 years ago in cold blood or their relatives and even the broad community or their now late teenage kids will ever dare to speak up or argue with the current army general or his ilk, his faction, or any army faction.

And nothing from the one that can't be named ????

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<deleted> is a hybrid war? 

I have heard of a Holy War.

A war of this and a war of that or war on this and a war on that

What new hybrid species exists on the planet that we don't know about. 

I have never heard of the U.S. fighting any hybrids before. 

(I am being sarcastic) Just in case ha ha ????

 

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On 10/13/2019 at 7:15 AM, Eric Loh said:

Gutsy move to take such business risk when penetration of telephone was relatively limited at a 3.3 ratio of telephone lines per 100 population and mobile phone was in its infancy. 

And of course you make no mention of:

 

- The morality of gaining the license at that time and no other folks had any access to licenses.

 

- Massive numbers of folks quickly bought mobile phones on borrowed money at expensive interest rates.

 

- Well proven that when the paymaster 'won' an election not long after and all villages in Thailand were given millions of Baht that there was pressure on village head men / women to push villagers to buy mobile phones and within a short time the paymasters phone company sold 10 Baht and 20 Baht top up cards to ensure very poor folks were enticed to buy phones and phone cards.  

 

 

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21 minutes ago, scorecard said:

And of course you make no mention of:

 

- The morality of gaining the license at that time and no other folks had any access to licenses.

 

- Massive numbers of folks quickly bought mobile phones on borrowed money at expensive interest rates.

 

- Well proven that when the paymaster 'won' an election not long after and all villages in Thailand were given millions of Baht that there was pressure on village head men / women to push villagers to buy mobile phones and within a short time the paymasters phone company sold 10 Baht and 20 Baht top up cards to ensure very poor folks were enticed to buy phones and phone cards.  

 

 

that's a heinous crime to borrow money for an item which is so essential now, that even 5 year old kids, to very senior, need it and use it daily. Most probably it was worth to buy it on credit and jump on information revolution as early as possible.

no village headman can force anybody to buy anything, especially if it was on credit. With lack of telephone landlines in thailand, jumping into mobile technology, was a major civilisation leap, which boosted the whole economy

 

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23 minutes ago, londonthai said:

that's a heinous crime to borrow money for an item which is so essential now, that even 5 year old kids, to very senior, need it and use it daily. Most probably it was worth to buy it on credit and jump on information revolution as early as possible.

no village headman can force anybody to buy anything, especially if it was on credit. With lack of telephone landlines in thailand, jumping into mobile technology, was a major civilisation leap, which boosted the whole economy

 

Wrong on all counts.

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On 10/12/2019 at 9:06 AM, neeray said:

Thanks cmsally. I've been reading each post carefully trying to sleuth out the justification for using the word "hybrid" by the army chief. (thought that might mean guns and digital propaganda)

But your suggestion of "hydra" might be more correct. I had to do a Wiki on "hydra".

Hydra is a fictional terrorist organization appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics.

I thought he meant this Hydra.

 

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hydra

 

Etymology
After the Hydra, from Greek mythology, which grew two new heads every time one of its heads was cut off. The first sense alludes to the budding method of asexual reproduction that the hydra practices, similar to growing new heads. The second sense refers to how the creature could not be killed by a swift, decisive solution (in contrast to a Gordian knot).

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On 10/12/2019 at 10:40 AM, NanLaew said:

You mean grant ourselves CONSTITUTIONAL immunity from any and all future prosecutions.

 

A protection instigated by Boonyaratglin to ensure last weeks usurpers couldn't be banged up by next week's usurpers.

IMHO there is nothing stopping an incoming civilian government from cancelling that immunity by tearing up the current constitution and reverting to the 1997 model and modifying that.

 

After all, that is what Prayuth did.

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