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Turkey bombards Syrian Kurdish militia, thousands flee as death toll mounts

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2 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Do you think Trump acted unilaterally or from advice from a general?

I think Erdogan told him 'we're going in whether your people are there or not', and Trump simply gave in.

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2 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

The Kurds have been ( are still ) , Americas allies . They did a great job fighting IS .

That is how Trump rewards them ...?

Erdogan is an autocratic leader who wants to erase them all , he said that before and he is tying to do that now .

Trump just let him do that ... I remember Trump said that he will ' destroy ' Turkey's economy if the Kurds are attacked ...

So , now is the time to do that .

But , as usual , it is all bla bla only ... if you believe this guy , you are lost , there is not a grain of honor in him , his actions contradict what he was saying before ,

Trump is confused and should be impeached . The sooner , the better .

Everyone's thoughts on the Kurdish situation might have more plausibility if they weren't simply in the service of an anti-Trump agenda. Is anyone capable of non-partisan thinking?

 

Kurds are a quarter of Turkey's population and there are many more than that across the region. Erdogan cannot "erase them all" any more than the English can erase the N. Ireland Catholics. Turkey wants to drive a wedge between its own Kurdish population and the rest for its own internal security. It probably won't be a big help, but this game is all about pride. The demilitarised zone in Korea has helped defuse tensions. Something similar in this part of the world would help.

 

If ISIS rise again, then the US will go back in. Fine. For now, this is for the Turks and the Kurds to sort out. The only practical, realistic long-term solution is for the Kurds to learn to live with their Turkish hosts. In the meantime, the world needs to sort out its border issues to prevent the threat of mass migrations. It's beginning to look like some groups are deliberately stoking conflict in order to give them an excuse for diaspora.

 

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19 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Ankara has also said it intends to create a “safe zone” for the return of millions of refugees to Syria.

Not to mention its ISIS "pals" - to whom it is, in effect, giving considerable succour and comfort through this military action.

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3 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

I'm at a loss to understand why the kurds don't build a human shield made of the ISIS fighters they have

Well that would almost certainly result in an immediate ceasefire on Turkey's part, I think, since there would be absolutely no way in which they would wish to inflict any harm on their ISIS "bosom pals", would they?

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51 minutes ago, JamesBlond said:

The only practical, realistic long-term solution is for the . In the meantime, Kurds to learn to live with their Turkish hosts

Sorry , but I do not think that they want to forget all that suffering and all the countless deaths that they suffered under Erdogan .

 

 

They want their own state , a little bit like the palestinians ... That state would cover a part of eastern Turkey and a part of Irak .

They fought for a long time for this , but Erdogan suppressed them ... there is no possibility of " Kurds to learn to live with their Turkish hosts " , never !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Maybe Ive been missing a lot - but if the Kurds in Turkey have been continuously and violently committing acts of terrorism , then I must have been slept through it !

There appears to me no justification for Turkeys actions except 'old animosities' , or political expediency for Erdogan.

 

"Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio noted that "at request of this administration the Kurds served as the primary ground fighters against ISIS in Syria so U.S. troops wouldn't have to."

 

Despicable behaviour from an ally !

 

 

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4 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Do you think they should have stayed permanently? 

If not, when would have been a good time to withdraw them?

The best time might be at some point after a meeting of these partners... not before.

 

21 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian has called for an emergency meeting of the coalition of more than 30 countries created to fight Islamic State

 

4 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Do you think Trump acted unilaterally or from advice from a general?

Regards the alliance, as close to unilaterally as makes a difference. Regards his temporarily appointed flunkies... as close to unilaterally as makes a difference.

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2 hours ago, Srikcir said:

How do Kurds learn to live with Turkey when Turkey wants genocide?

https://thekurdishproject.org/history-and-culture/kurdish-history/kurdistan-genocide/

 

The Turks don't want genocide, they want everyone to live peaceably in Turkey. If the Kurds stopped revolting within Turkey there would be no problem. It's too late for them to have their own state (or would you like to suggest where the borders should be?). If the Kurds are choosing to live in eternal conflict for the sake of their pride - then the result is what we are seeing today and it will go on forever. 

 

And for everyone who keeps saying the Kurds are the US's allies - they were allies in the war against ISIS, not against Turkey, which don't forget is a member of NATO.

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And do you know who has fully supported Erdogan's actions, made a personal call to him, assuring him of full support? Imran Khan, prime minister of Pakistan!!

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