Are you tired of waiting for the next shoe to drop ?

[WhatupThailand]

14 hours ago, justin case said:

many other 3rd world countries, you get married, you can stay for ever, get PR, citizenship, etc...

 

here you get nothing

 

I have no choice, cannot leave, ex-wife keeps child HOSTAGE

Let the ex-wife keep the child, and you keep in touch, visit often, and support with love.

One day Child will be old enough to make decision to be with you.

Now Free yourself and live your life, no one else can live it for you.

[sunnyboy2018]

On 10/11/2019 at 3:02 PM, Skallywag said:

Less stress in retirement for me means having money in the bank and health insurance. 

The money requirement has not changed regarding Visa extensions.

90 day reports, TM 30 and such take an hour of my time very infrequently.

 

And being of retirement age, if you are living without health insurance, you are always just a day away from bankruptcy in my opinion.   Heck in the USA where I am from, they wont even treat you at 95% of the hospitals unless you have insurance, and the ones that will, you are likely to bleed out in a waiting room

The USA is the worst example of health care in the western world and is hardly a good example to quote. The structured fear of ill health in the USA is one of the many inhuman agents of oppression. This fear is virtually unknown in Europe. However, travel/medical insurance is desirable when travelling a long way from home. For people from medically civilised countries staying in Thailand medivac insurance would be a good policy.

[sunnyboy2018]

On 10/11/2019 at 3:16 PM, andy72 said:

Well im not wrong I said no agent can afford to leave 400/800k in a bank account 
hes not leaving it in hes bunging an IO according to you
the 400k law was aimed at the agents more than the individual IMO 
that there is still that corruption in the IO office just counters what the law is meant to be doing

The agent and the IO is effectively one and the same. The former a conduit to the latter they exist symbioticly. And dont forget about the bank!

[Skallywag]

9 hours ago, kingofthemountain said:

if you have a Marriage Visa 400,000 Thai Baht how much Interest Earnings will the Bank be paying you

Many are always pointing out that the bank interest on the money left in bank for their Visa is low and they could be making higher interest elsewhere.  If you made 10% on investment of 400,000 baht you are losing $1000 USD a year by keeping it in a thai bank for Visa extension purposes.

But basic cost of living is cheaper in most areas of Thailand, so you make that up in other ways. 

Best to accept things and "go with the flow" or move to where the "Grass is Greener" as they say. 

 

 

[luckyluke]

So far, so good for me in Thailand since 2000.

 

No money needed in a Thai bank account, no mandatory transfer of 65000 needed. 

 

I do my 90 days on line, TM30 is done by management of the place I stay. 

 

No insurance needed, as I have an extension based on a non-immigrant O. 

 

Well OK, I have to pay now 1900 for an extension, many years ago it was 500 Thb. 

 

I don't know what the future will bring, I am ready to abide to many things, if it is financially possible. 

 

The Euro was at a certain moment 50 Thb, it is now 33.

 

When it was 40-50, I was younger (much younger) , thus more desiderata. 

 

Now being older I can manage with the 2000 Euro I transferred / transfer monthly, voluntarily to Thailand since 2000.

 

When I decided to live here permanently 20 years ago, I had a plan B & C. 

 

At 71 now, I really hope I will not have to use them. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NoshowJones]

7 hours ago, Just Weird said:

Yes, I really do not know what new things have regularly come up that has made being in Thailand unpleasant.   As someone with over 20,000 posts perhaps you can enlighten me, specifically.   And that would be NEW things, plural, that have appeared regularly.

I am not wasting my time going through things that the majority of members are well aware of, just keep logging on to Thaivisa and maybe things will sink in, and I am aware that the TM situation is not new and has only recently been enforced.

Another thing, I am aware of your opinions and you are entitled to them, but you are about the last poster I want to have a debate with.

[DUNROAMIN]

12 hours ago, Fex Bluse said:

Everything changes. 

 

Thailand is done for Westerners. 

 

It will belong to the Chinese from henceforth. 

 

Any Farang who refuses to acknowledge this does so at his own risk. 

Correct, what happens when Mr Big says 'sorry no money honey' to pay back Chinese loans propping up their economy, maybe start waving a lot of Chinese flags.

[JDGRUEN]

The claim that older Expats are runners on hundreds of millions of Baht in unpaid hospital bills is an outright fabrication - a. k. a. - A Big Lie. Younger tourists are more likely to become runners after being in a hospital for weeks from a motorcycle accident or other risky behavior. Then leave their confiscated passport behind - get a new passport from their embassy and leave. 

I pose that ThaiVisa do a survey. 

1. Do you have personal knowledge of an older Expat running on a large hospital bill? ... Approximate date please... 

2. Have you read a credible News article citing an older Expat doing a runner on a large hospital bill? Approximate date please - Y/N

No. 

Not scientific but hopefully will get some kind of magnitude number. 

I simply do not believe the numbers the Thai Govt. puts out - Bogus Propaganda. 

[DUNROAMIN]

Just now, JDGRUEN said:

The claim that older Expats are runners on hundreds of millions of Baht in unpaid hospital bills is an outright fabrication - a. k. a. - A Big Lie. Younger tourists are more likely to become runners after being in a hospital for weeks from a motorcycle accident or other risky behavior. Then leave their confiscated passport behind - get a new passport from their embassy and leave. 

I pose that ThaiVisa do a survey. 

1. Do you have personal knowledge of an older Expat running on a large hospital bill? ... Approximate date please... 

2. Have you read a credible News article citing an older Expat doing a runner on a large hospital bill? Approximate date please - Y/N

No. 

Not scientific but hopefully will get some kind of magnitude number. 

I simply do not believe the numbers the Thai Govt. puts out - Bogus Propaganda. 

I am all for that, I think government spinning BS story.

[DUNROAMIN]

11 hours ago, SuburbanOne said:

Let it Be known to all members on Thai Visa that i had a go around with the Chaeng Wattana Immigration Officials (Government Complex Building) just down the street from the Supreme Court Building and the DSI (Department of Special Investigations)  I spoke with 3 Seperate Immigration Officials on September 16, 2019 on a 1 year Thai Wife renewal , I explained to Immigration as I have done many times in the Past years I own my own Business which is United States registered and has a United States Registered Tax ID as well Plus My Business is Registered to do Business with 180 plus countries around the world ( Planet Earth ONLY) i run a Ecommerce Business over the Internet so i use specific Internet Financial Banking Secured Serving Banks made specifically for Ecommerce Businesses ,  Immigration started there Song to me Since my Embassy No Longer issues the Income verification Letters any longer and they sang there Song that i had to deposit 40,000 Baht each Month in to a in country Thai Bank for Income verification and i Quickly Responded i have my Own Ecommerce Banking Statements that are Verified Income and they still tried to sing there Song even had me speak with the So Called Inspector which she Got No Where with me , So All Viewers on Thai Visa are aware if you take what immigration wants you to do its considered as a Illegal Process its Like Bribery , and they cant touch your money either way and the second issue is if you have a Marriage Visa 400,000 Thai Baht how much Interest Earnings will the Bank be paying you in a 1 year Period that Immigration wants to verify you as having Income Earnings in the Long Run my Plans for this Weekend is to Send a Letter to the (Thailand NACC) - this is the Thailand National Anti Corruption Commission and the Second Organization is the Chaeng Wattana (DSI)- this is Department of Special Investigations if immigration is Demanding Money in a Private Bank Account Rather then using a Business Letter from a Business Verifying Income as a Lump sum of Money sitting in a Thai Bank that can not even be invested in to the Thailand Stock Market to earn income this is a Big Sign of Corruption as in my area of Living on my Street i have 3 Local Thai Lawyers to get Legal advice and 1 Lawyer is a Bangkok Prosecutor at the Chaeng Wattana Court House , i am Ready to Fight this Corruption of Immigrations now exposed Corruption on goings with Verification of a Person Individual Income that they earn on there own with out Immigrations involvement in being accpeted for working on a Job of any Kind for International Companies for any Farang Immigrations Days are Now Numbered until being Exposed on this Income Verification CorruptionI have Lived in Thailand since September 2006 and nothing related to my work or Banking and money income has never Changed and i will never change how my Business is setup either cause its a very secured system to stop Hackers as well and "We Have to Stand up for Our Rights as Humans regardless of Our Nationality while Living in Thailand - "The Human Rights Organization of Thailand" even States this Too!!!

While you at it, add in Thai government officials running a back pocket scam with Thai health insurance companies with new Immigration ruling.

[DUNROAMIN]

5 minutes ago, DUNROAMIN said:

I am all for that, I think government spinning BS story.

I would love to know exactly how many expats do not pay their hospital bills, what I read and see in Issan country far out weighs the BS the government is spinning about billions of Barht being spent to pay for 'farangs' hospital bills. I myself and all my friends pay their own way with medical costs either with health insurance or pay as you go. I think this new BS policy for expats living here is a cooked up kick-back scheme through the big nobs in government and their mates in the health insurance industry. Realistically, take a look at the existing government hospital payments for Thais, 30B to see a doctor and then maybe a few more Barht for some pills and operations one third the price a farang pays. Thais appear to pay very little here for medical costs. Many people will say, Thais cant afford more money for medical costs, I don't believe that, Thais seem to have enough money to pay for a new pick up or M/C on HP and buy alcohol and smokes, but not enough to pay a few extra barht for medical treatment. The health system in Thailand needs a big shake up by the government to help fund its hospitals. Stop relying on tourists, foreign investments, massive taxes on all imports, growing rice that nobody wants, and draining the pockets of expats to prop up their failing economy. Have I left something out.

[WhatupThailand]

1 hour ago, DUNROAMIN said:

I would love to know exactly how many expats do not pay their hospital bills, what I read and see in Issan country far out weighs the BS the government is spinning about billions of Barht being spent to pay for 'farangs' hospital bills. I myself and all my friends pay their own way with medical costs either with health insurance or pay as you go. I think this new BS policy for expats living here is a cooked up kick-back scheme through the big nobs in government and their mates in the health insurance industry. Realistically, take a look at the existing government hospital payments for Thais, 30B to see a doctor and then maybe a few more Barht for some pills and operations one third the price a farang pays. Thais appear to pay very little here for medical costs. Many people will say, Thais cant afford more money for medical costs, I don't believe that, Thais seem to have enough money to pay for a new pick up or M/C on HP and buy alcohol and smokes, but not enough to pay a few extra barht for medical treatment. The health system in Thailand needs a big shake up by the government to help fund its hospitals. Stop relying on tourists, foreign investments, massive taxes on all imports, growing rice that nobody wants, and draining the pockets of expats to prop up their failing economy. Have I left something out.

You left out, Why they don't move Casino's into Thailand and recover the lose of all that money.

Why they don't go ahead and make Cannabis legal, and for export, and make more money.

Why they don't get rid of that stupid keep it in the Bank rule, so that money can be put into the economy.

And Why they don't follow the example of all the other S.E. Asia countries, and make their

Visa rules simple and easy ?

As Forest Gump said "Stupid is as Stupid Does"

 

[DUNROAMIN]

39 minutes ago, WhatupThailand said:

You left out, Why they don't move Casino's into Thailand and recover the lose of all that money.

Why they don't go ahead and make Cannabis legal, and for export, and make more money.

Why they don't get rid of that stupid keep it in the Bank rule, so that money can be put into the economy.

And Why they don't follow the example of all the other S.E. Asia countries, and make their

Visa rules simple and easy ?

As Forest Gump said "Stupid is as Stupid Does"

 

True, I could rant for hours about stupidity of Thailand's way of thinking, however, I don't need the stress, so let them carry on running their country as they see fit.

All aboard for S.S. Thaitanic.

[Fex Bluse]

It's reasonable to expect an adult to have health insurance or to be able to fund unexpected medical emergencies.

 

However , problems with this scam are the following:

• Thais, NOT Farang, will be defaulting at far higher rates than any Farang.
• In an decent country, foreigners have legal recourse against locals who harm them, but in Thailand the courts will almost always allow locals to without penalty
  • Assaulting them with deadly weapons
  • Running them over with autos
  • Electrocuting them due to faulty electric wiring
  • Causing severe food poisoning and other gastric issues due to poor food hygiene
  • Cancers due to the use of pesticides that have been banned in almost every other part of the world, sometimes for decades

Thailand is not a normal country - it's closer to North Korea than Norway.

 

"Thailand. Where you pay us to hurt you."

[DUNROAMIN]

1 minute ago, Fex Bluse said:

It's reasonable to expect an adult to have health insurance or to be able to fund unexpected medical emergencies.

 

However , problems with this scam are the following:

• Thais, NOT Farang, will be defaulting at far higher rates than any Farang.
• In an decent country, foreigners have legal recourse against locals who harm them, but in Thailand the courts will almost always allow locals to without penalty
  • Assaulting them with deadly weapons
  • Running them over with autos
  • Electrocuting them due to faulty electric wiring
  • Causing severe food poisoning and other gastric issues due to poor food hygiene
  • Cancers due to the use of pesticides that have been banned in almost every other part of the world, sometimes for decades

Thailand is not a normal country - it's closer to North Korea than Norway.

Get out while you can!

Good luck.

[Thaidream]

2 hours ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

The USA is the worst example of health care in the western world and is hardly a good example to quote. The structured fear of ill health in the USA is one of the many inhuman agents of oppression. This fear is virtually unknown in Europe. However, travel/medical insurance is desirable when travelling a long way from home. For people from medically civilised countries staying in Thailand medivac insurance would be a good policy.

Indeed the USA system of Healthcare is the worst I have ever experienced.  Americans actually go bankrupt due to an unholy alliance between Medical Insurance; For Profit Hospitals and Big Pharma. 

 

This makes medical costs the most expensive in the World. What is also a fact that Hospitals hide their prices; charge a person with no insurance at the highest possible price; give discounts to Insurance Companies and when an individual cannot pay- they get a letter from a lawyer threatening a suit and are then sued.  Americans lose their homes; at times lose their lives all to stisfy pure greed from an industry that cares only about profit and could care less about human lives

 

The system is completely broken and will be the number 1 issue in the 2020 Presidential Campaign and the Healtehcare indstry will spend untold millions to stop any change in the system.

 

Unfortunately, Thailand is following the American model of Healthcare as the majority of doctors get trained in the US.  The private health industry in Thailand is overpriced as is private insurance. Even the Thai Government admits to the overpricing in private hospitals but cannot control it because they simply refuse to enforce  it.

 

If the Thai Government wants to enforce mandatory insurance on anyone- they need to put everyone in the same pool; get rid of any pre-existing condition issue and spread the premiums across the whole age group 1-100.  Instead, they are forcing a separate pool for expats 50- 100 years and what we are getting are high, mostly unaffordable premiums with little real coverage.  The whole concept of this solves no issue- it simply makes money for the insurance company and their Board of Directors.

 

As far as Visas being offered the 5 year O-X is a failure as the financials are high and the insurance requirement has always been there.  The O-A was popular because one could obtain it with financials in your home bank and no visit to Immigration was necessary.If handled properly-one could get 2 years out of the Visa and then head home for another one.

 

Now with the Insurance requirement added- the O-A has -as of 31 Oct 19 increased radically in price and I seriously doubt many people familiar with Thailand and contemplating retiring will use this method. To the powers that be-  they don't care-current holders of O-A are increasing in age yearly and at some point will expire- and there is always newb ies who will purchase the coverage from the Thai Insurance providers.

 

As long as Thailand has 40 million tourists visitng- the majority of which are in and out within 30 days- their unpaid imedical bills will increase.  Tourists have accidents; tourists are not familiar with Thai driving habits; Tourists fall down-get injured. 

 

While the expats  have the same issues- compared to 40 Million tourists- the expat long stayers are negligible. Unless the Thai Government mandates travel insurance- there will be no change- except for those who have stock in the Thai Insurance Companies; the Board of Directs and the Hospital Officers who are part of the Board.  Their income will go up.

[SuburbanOne]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You may be right, BUT none of what you say means anything in LOS. The Thais can make any rule they wish to, and no matter what effect it has on farangs that CHOOSE to live in LOS, farangs must comply. Their country, their rules, and life isn't fair.

If You Think in a Reality World as I do if the TM 30 Got to a Point of a Meeting with Expats and Immigration together to Discuss the TM 30 Issues it Surely can be accomplished to get the Income Verification Issue in to a Meeting Discussion in Person with Immigration as I would Surely Be there to Speak and Many in the Meeting would surely know quickly who i am in the Thai Visa Forums if the TM 30 Issue Caused a Meeting with Immigration over a 40 Year Rule  then a 10 Month Old New Scheme of Money in a Local Bank that in a years time earns small interest over a 12 month period and you Can not even have the Money Invested even not in to the Thailand Stock Market to earn something, my Local Lawyer Neighbor who i and he talked for 2 hours said to me that it appears the Immigration Department want to try and Hold your Money Hostage in a Local Bank for which they have no right to Touch or Control in his Opinion it sounds like a Bribery Scheme that Immigration is trying to slide under other Departments Noses with out Detection the Usual Thai Governments ways of Corruption until its exposed , just so you are aware my 1 Lawyer Neighbor i use for Legal advice at Times in a Bangkok Crimminal Prosecutor at the Court House down on Chaeng Wattana Road near where the Government Complex Building is right next Door to the Thai Army Head Quarters and my local Lawyer has been involved in some of the Stories you have seen on the Television of Certain Thais going to Prison for a Very LOng Time and he was also Involved in the Yellow Shirts Protest Prosecutions that Involved the Survarnabumi Airport in Bangkok Being Closed down by the Yellow shirts plus my Lawyer Neighbor has sent Thais to Prison for Sentences for 30 years Plus in Law he is very Good and he see's all the Time Still to this Day of Thai Corruption even with the New Government in Office  but he is Careful what he does to avoid others wanting to try in attempts of accusing him in False defamation claims

[The Deerhunter]

Yeah, so I moved home.  And am now in my own country waiting for the second shoe to drop here. 

We live in interesting and uncertain times.  Same same in lots of places, UK, USA, Canada, New Zealand, Korea, Japan, Hong Kong etc.   And LOS is not excepted.

[rumak]

On 10/11/2019 at 8:25 PM, CLS said:

 

There are no retirement visa in my home country. But that’s not the point.

But there is a spouse visa/ settlement visa with no financial requirements. Citizenship after 5 years. Unheard of in this country.

Health insurance mandatory for all residents, no dual pricing. Same premiums for all over 25. No pre-existing conditions excluded.


Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

 

Canada  ???

[SuburbanOne]

3 hours ago, DUNROAMIN said:

While you at it, add in Thai government officials running a back pocket scam with Thai health insurance companies with new Immigration ruling.

I can Easily add this in on my Letters later on today to the NACC-Thailand National Anti Corruption Commission and DSI -Department of Special Investigations, Back in 2012 I Reported a Illegal Scheme Going on in Bangkok and DSI Took on my Statement as well as Proof of Evidence and the Story was Big on all Thai TV Stations Back in the Year 2012 , so i am very Comfortable in speaking to DSI -Department of Special Investigations as I speak enough Thai Language to get the Point across to them this Time around as well on Local Issues and the NACC says when they were first Established that if you see Corruption Please Inform us so that the Problem can be Investigated and to Eliminate ALL Corruption with in the Country of Thailand (True Words from the NACC Website) NACC Will Require Proof of the Health Insurance Back Pocket Scheme for which i have no Proof in Hand incase they would ask me to submit this so i might let another ThaiVisa Member Handle this if they have Proof for which i have no proof on the Health Insurance back Pocket Scheme but you can find the Websites for NACC- National Anti Corruption Commission and also the DSI - Department of Special Investigations both can be found Using  Google Chrome as it has the ability to Translate websites languages from Thai to English or Most other Popular Languages and Both Organizations have Officer who read and Understand English Too in case you need to Notify them Yourself  , what i am doing here today on Sunday with my Letters is for all Farangs regardless of what country they have come from and they chose Warm Thailand to Live there Lives in as i got Tired of the USA Winter Snow weather back in 2002 as i am originally from the State of Maryland, City Name is Silver Spring ( Montgomery County which is 25 Minutes away from the White House Located in Washington DC of the United States and I dont Miss there House Property Tax either 

[Captain 776]

NOPE~!!   Shoe?  
What shoe?

Did someone drop a shoe?

 

just enjoy what ya can and when it gets tooooooo much for ya, feel free to use any one of the free Exits.

[Max69xl]

On 10/11/2019 at 6:48 PM, Samuel Smith said:

Who's not paying their bills?

Tourists without travel insurances,mostly. ~38% of tourists from the UK don't have any kind of insurance. 

[DUNROAMIN]

6 hours ago, SuburbanOne said:

I can Easily add this in on my Letters later on today to the NACC-Thailand National Anti Corruption Commission and DSI -Department of Special Investigations, Back in 2012 I Reported a Illegal Scheme Going on in Bangkok and DSI Took on my Statement as well as Proof of Evidence and the Story was Big on all Thai TV Stations Back in the Year 2012 , so i am very Comfortable in speaking to DSI -Department of Special Investigations as I speak enough Thai Language to get the Point across to them this Time around as well on Local Issues and the NACC says when they were first Established that if you see Corruption Please Inform us so that the Problem can be Investigated and to Eliminate ALL Corruption with in the Country of Thailand (True Words from the NACC Website) NACC Will Require Proof of the Health Insurance Back Pocket Scheme for which i have no Proof in Hand incase they would ask me to submit this so i might let another ThaiVisa Member Handle this if they have Proof for which i have no proof on the Health Insurance back Pocket Scheme but you can find the Websites for NACC- National Anti Corruption Commission and also the DSI - Department of Special Investigations both can be found Using  Google Chrome as it has the ability to Translate websites languages from Thai to English or Most other Popular Languages and Both Organizations have Officer who read and Understand English Too in case you need to Notify them Yourself  , what i am doing here today on Sunday with my Letters is for all Farangs regardless of what country they have come from and they chose Warm Thailand to Live there Lives in as i got Tired of the USA Winter Snow weather back in 2002 as i am originally from the State of Maryland, City Name is Silver Spring ( Montgomery County which is 25 Minutes away from the White House Located in Washington DC of the United States and I dont Miss there House Property Tax either 

Thanks for response, cant prove anything of course. Just pisses me off when you read the BS the government puts out. Thais seem to a one track mind on how to run the economy, rely on Tourism, foreign investments, high import taxes on all imported goods and bleed expats for more money, if they really think this new health insurance scheme is going to fix their failing hospitals budgets, their got rocks in their heads. Their mentality here is to raise money from every source that is not Thailand based, and try to run their economy without taking money from their own people. How many expats will have to leave the country if they are refused medical insurance.??

[Skallywag]

On 10/12/2019 at 7:55 PM, KMartinHandyman said:

Fake Blues,,

Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA)
CMS Guidance to State Survey Agency Directors
Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act Technical Advisory Group (EMTALA TAG)
Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA)
In 1986, Congress enacted the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) to ensure public access to emergency services regardless of ability to pay. Section 1867 of the Social Security Act imposes specific obligations on Medicare-participating hospitals that offer emergency services to provide a medical screening examination (MSE) when a request is made for examination or treatment for an emergency medical condition (EMC), including active labor, regardless of an individual's ability to pay. Hospitals are then required to provide stabilizing treatment for patients with EMCs. If a hospital is unable to stabilize a patient within its capability, or if the patient requests, an appropriate transfer should be implemented.

I never mentioned the word "Emergency" in my post on the health care system in the USA.

Regardless, have had good, immediate treatment and consultation here in LOS at minimal cost

[sirineou]

14 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

I never mentioned the word "Emergency" in my post on the health care system in the USA.

Regardless, have had good, immediate treatment and consultation here in LOS at minimal cost

And that's why  KMartinHandyman mentioned.

In the US when ill and don't have insurance, all you have to do is go to the emergency room, say that you are not feeling well , that you have a sore through and fear you are dangerously ill and by law they are required to treat you. . As far as waiting, the wait time is the same with insurance holders as it is with non insurance holders. 

 That's part  of the reason why medical costs are so much higher in the US than other countries , and outcomes are worst.

  Many of the uninsured get their medical treatment at the emergency room where it is much more expensive, and by such time that it has become much more serious, Resulting on higher costs and worst outcomes. 

[wwest5829]

23 hours ago, Just Weird said:

The TM30 requirement has always been there, has it affected you personally in the last 12 months or so or are you just mentioning what Thaivisa posters have been moaning about generally?  What is your own personal experience of the TM30 and IB?

 

Are you on a retirement extension?  If so, the medical insurance cannot have affected you as it, so far, it does not apply to us. 

 

Income requirement has been the same for years, that enforcement has not become "stricter" unless you have not been able to comply in the past and you have winged it, surely?

You do realize that different Royal Thai Immigration offices use different interpretations of the laws/regulations? Other offices have stated that there is no need to refine a TM30 when returning to the same home address. Other offices have told Expats that is required, including Chiang Mai. Returning To my already filed home address from a domestic trip on October 22 so, I will be at Immigration as required October 23.

 

The following was sent to those of us using the cited agency. They asked the question and this was the response they received from Chiang Mai Immigration so again this is the international for enforced concerning the new medical insurance requirement. “

Update on Health Insurance for OA visas. Please note this is only for Chiang Mai immigration. They have confirmed that any person who has previously held and OA visa and then extended it inside Thailand WILL NEED health insurance for the renewal. This means if you arrived 3 years a go on an OA visa and since then have been getting extensions in Chiang Mai, you will need to show health insurance at your next extension. For those that do not qualify for insurance or cant obtain it, your option is to leave and then reapply for a NON 0 visa and then get a 1 year extension based on Retirement. Please note that health insurance isnt currently required for the Non 0 Retirement extensions. For any questions contact [email protected]

 

The income requirement previously allowed for my honestly stating that I brought into Thailand for my retirement support an amount of a minimum of 65 K a month. There was no need to show that this amount was not an average.

[wwest5829]

17 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are you saying that you knew what the rules were ( which was your responsibility to know ) and expected that they would never actually enforce existing rules?

TM 30 is only your responsibility if you live in your own house, and it's been a requirement for longer than your 7 years. It may not have been enforced, but it was a requirement.

As for medical, if you can't get insurance, a serious medical problem may exceed your ability to pay for treatment. Surely you don't expect the Thais to pay for it?

I only left LOS because I couldn't afford insurance, and didn't consider it sensible to stay if I couldn't afford to pay for a serious problem.

 

Nothing you say is proof that times are worse now than before. We all have to comply with existing rules to stay anywhere, and one has to be able to pay for medical care unless in a country where the tax payer pays for it.

While I did my “due diligence” before retiring to Thailand, no I was not Ali all aware of a 40 year old law that had not been enforced. This is not the type of thing that would reasonably be drawn to someone’s attention. You are off base on a number of things here. I consider my 2015 heart attack as a serious medical problem. There is no way for me to get the required medical insurance. Bit of irony, if I could afford the premium, it would exclude payment for anything dealing with my heart. How does that guarantee squat? I paid my $11,000.00 bill without having this new requirement and certainly did not consider stiffing Thai citizens with the bill.

[WhatupThailand]

If Thailand scraped all the current Visa rules and Laws, and Followed the Example of All

the other S.E. Asia Nations, with simple Visas where you pay once for a year, they would

save all the money required to pay so many "Make Work" Government employees, save all

the time and expense of doing multiple copies of the same paper work, save the cost of

all the paper needed for all the forms, save the cost of all the supporting Departments,

release all the money tied up in Banks into the Economy, reduce the Smog an Expense

needed for running around to Immigration Offices, ect, ect.

 

And Finally Making Thailand a Happier place for All, which is what I was told is the number

one thing this Government was all about.  What Happened ?

[thaibeachlovers]

23 hours ago, RedPill said:

You know what, it's not only the Farangs who are complaining about the many changes and enforcements the past 5 years. 

 

Plenty of Thai's who tell me are not happy with the way their gov has been/is going ...

 

Things certainly changed, for the Thai's too ... there is no denying about that.

 

 

Then Thais should stop voting for politicians that pay them the most.

Till Thais start voting on the issues and not the bribe, nothing is going to change.

They have the solution in their hands.

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, SuburbanOne said:

If You Think in a Reality World as I do if the TM 30 Got to a Point of a Meeting with Expats and Immigration together to Discuss the TM 30 Issues it Surely can be accomplished to get the Income Verification Issue in to a Meeting Discussion in Person with Immigration as I would Surely Be there to Speak and Many in the Meeting would surely know quickly who i am in the Thai Visa Forums if the TM 30 Issue Caused a Meeting with Immigration over a 40 Year Rule  then a 10 Month Old New Scheme of Money in a Local Bank that in a years time earns small interest over a 12 month period and you Can not even have the Money Invested even not in to the Thailand Stock Market to earn something, my Local Lawyer Neighbor who i and he talked for 2 hours said to me that it appears the Immigration Department want to try and Hold your Money Hostage in a Local Bank for which they have no right to Touch or Control in his Opinion it sounds like a Bribery Scheme that Immigration is trying to slide under other Departments Noses with out Detection the Usual Thai Governments ways of Corruption until its exposed , just so you are aware my 1 Lawyer Neighbor i use for Legal advice at Times in a Bangkok Crimminal Prosecutor at the Court House down on Chaeng Wattana Road near where the Government Complex Building is right next Door to the Thai Army Head Quarters and my local Lawyer has been involved in some of the Stories you have seen on the Television of Certain Thais going to Prison for a Very LOng Time and he was also Involved in the Yellow Shirts Protest Prosecutions that Involved the Survarnabumi Airport in Bangkok Being Closed down by the Yellow shirts plus my Lawyer Neighbor has sent Thais to Prison for Sentences for 30 years Plus in Law he is very Good and he see's all the Time Still to this Day of Thai Corruption even with the New Government in Office  but he is Careful what he does to avoid others wanting to try in attempts of accusing him in False defamation claims

Face is a very big factor, and as with the stupid information form we used to have to fill in, once sufficient time has passed, things may change. Just to go bull headed making a fuss is probably not going to make them back down as would lose face.

Actually admitting a mistake was made and changing it is something I have not seen in LOS.

 

Before anything else, one has to discover the real reason for the changes in the first place. Perhaps they really do want to get rid of farang expats.

 

Meeting about TM 30? Has anything changed as a result?