rooster59 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Graves desecrated at Commonwealth war cemetery in Israel Graffiti of swastikas and other signs can be seen on headstones at the Haifa War Cemetery, where about 350 Commonwealth soldiers killed in World War One and World War Two are buried, Haifa Israel October 11, 2019. Picture taken October 11, 2019 REUTERS/Herzie Shapira JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Dozens of gravestones at a Commonwealth military cemetery in Israel were desecrated in what the Israeli foreign ministry said on Saturday was a suspected hate crime. The Haifa War Cemetery is the burial site of about 340 Commonwealth soldiers, most of them killed in World War One and some in World War Two. Photographs showed at least 30 tombstones sprayed with red paint. Some, including a Christian memorial topped with a stone cross, were daubed with swastikas. The vandalism was discovered on Friday. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a statement that the graves' desecration was "an abhorrent crime" and that Israel would do everything possible to find the perpetrators and bring them to justice. Britain captured Palestine from the crumbling Ottoman Empire during World War One in 1917, and later governed it under an international mandate. According to The Commonwealth War Graves Commission, 86 of the 305 World War One Commonwealth burials at the cemetery are unidentified and 36 World War Two casualties are also buried at the site. (Reporting by Maayan Lubell; Editing by Raissa Kasolowsky) -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-10-13 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert bloggs Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Wonder who could have done it ,Christian and Jewish graves desecrated , now thats a hard one ,whoever they were they need to be flogged . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry343 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, bert bloggs said: Wonder who could have done it ,Christian and Jewish graves desecrated , now thats a hard one ,whoever they were they need to be flogged . Under some religions for doing such a crime would be cutting off of the hands so they can not do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, bert bloggs said: Wonder who could have done it ,Christian and Jewish graves desecrated , now thats a hard one ,whoever they were they need to be flogged . Where did you read about Jewish graves desecrated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 CWGC's coverage, along with a similar act in Belfast. On a lighter note they reported a month ago that a desicrated WW1-2 cemetery in Iraq has been fully restored and is being tended/maintained to their usual high standard. 'Lest we forget' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBlond Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I don't get it. They're calling commonwealth soldiers nazis? Some weird symbols on those graves - anyone know what they mean? Prank by Jewish kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4737 Carlin Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 5 hours ago, rooster59 said: Israel would do everything possible to find the perpetrators and bring them to justice. An obvious false flag to bolster the idea of a people under seige. Does anyone seriously believe there are gangs of neo nazi's roaming around Israel ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, 4737 Carlin said: An obvious false flag to bolster the idea of a people under seige. Does anyone seriously believe there are gangs of neo nazi's roaming around Israel ? I say "if the shoe fits, wear it" what size shoes do Nazis wear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, 4737 Carlin said: An obvious false flag to bolster the idea of a people under seige. Does anyone seriously believe there are gangs of neo nazi's roaming around Israel ? Sounds like a conspiracy theory. Maybe better to wait until they find the perps and the motivation can be revealed. It's definitely a puzzling crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 48 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Sounds like a conspiracy theory. Maybe better to wait until they find the perps and the motivation can be revealed. It's definitely a puzzling crime. I'll be most surprised if this or any other CWGC cemetery isn't yet covered by CCTV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Quite often just kids being stupid and *didnt know what they were doing* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Zionist have form for killing British soldiers. Though wild speculation - as Sanemax says probably stupid kid vandals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said: Zionist have form for killing British soldiers. Though wild speculation - as Sanemax says probably stupid kid vandals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing Off topic, needless reference to events 80 years ago . Tut -tut, using the desecration of war grave to spread dislike of Jews . I thought that UK Labour party has been trying to clamp down on that sort of thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Quite often just kids being stupid and *didnt know what they were doing* I agree that's the most likely but this is a weird one so can't be sure. Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBlond Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Is it possible that Israeli kids are becoming conditioned (and perhaps traumatised) by the unceasing holocaust narrative and are growing up fearful that all westerners are potential Nazis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, JamesBlond said: Is it possible that Israeli kids are becoming conditioned (and perhaps traumatised) by the unceasing holocaust narrative and are growing up fearful that all westerners are potential Nazis? I don't think so. Consider that expatriating to Berlin is popular with young Israelis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 23 minutes ago, JamesBlond said: Is it possible that Israeli kids are becoming conditioned (and perhaps traumatised) by the unceasing holocaust narrative and are growing up fearful that all westerners are potential Nazis? Highly unlikely , probably just delinquents with a spray can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 25 minutes ago, JamesBlond said: Is it possible that Israeli kids are becoming conditioned (and perhaps traumatised) by the unceasing holocaust narrative and are growing up fearful that all westerners are potential Nazis? They would have to be extremely dim to think that soldiers who died fighting the Nazis...................were Nazis . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBlond Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 21 minutes ago, Jingthing said: I don't think so. Consider that expatriating to Berlin is popular with young Israelis. I won't comment on the irony of that, but I was thinking of 10-13 year olds who are surely growing up conditioned to have a sense of grievance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 The law of return has led to some wired situations where the children of Russian immigrants in particular have formed neo nazi cells - in Israel. Also just plain historical fact that modern Israel basically had to blast the Brits out before it could be formed, so easy enough to imagine the graves being targeted by ultra nationalists. The reality is however, who knows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBlond Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, sanemax said: They would have to be extremely dim to think that soldiers who died fighting the Nazis...................were Nazis . Or maybe it's just a question of westerners being 'not one of us'? I would like to know what all those graffiti symbols mean. Some are presumably Christian crosses, so the target is not just Nazis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, JamesBlond said: I won't comment on the irony of that, but I was thinking of 10-13 year olds who are surely growing up conditioned to have a sense of grievance. What are you basing that on ? What are you basing the statement that "Israeli kids are growing up conditioned to have a sense of grievance" ?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, JamesBlond said: I won't comment on the irony of that, but I was thinking of 10-13 year olds who are surely growing up conditioned to have a sense of grievance. Why is that "ironic" World War 2 finished 75 years ago and the worlds moved on since then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emptypockets Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, sanemax said: Why is that "ironic" World War 2 finished 75 years ago and the worlds moved on since then Agree...who really cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBlond Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, sanemax said: What are you basing that on ? What are you basing the statement that "Israeli kids are growing up conditioned to have a sense of grievance" ?" Kindly do not twist my words. It was not a statement but a hypothesis. I made that very clear. It's psychology. I am open to correction but it seems to me that the holocaust still looms large in Jewish society, and if that is the incessant backdrop to growing up, of course it will affect kids' way of thinking about the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBlond Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, sanemax said: Why is that "ironic" World War 2 finished 75 years ago and the worlds moved on since then It's ironic because of all the trouble Israelis went to to create their own state. And, by the way, it's rather naive to assume the world has moved on so much as you think. There's ample evidence of Nazism in today's Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 20 minutes ago, JamesBlond said: I won't comment on the irony of that, but I was thinking of 10-13 year olds who are surely growing up conditioned to have a sense of grievance. I don't think you know much about Israeli culture. It's different than diaspora Jewish culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Alex Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Right now, some kids are probably laughing at the attention they're getting. If you were to quiz them on the symbols they used, they'd know just enough to know people would be <deleted> off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocky Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, sanemax said: World War 2 finished 75 years ago and the worlds moved on since then 32 minutes ago, sanemax said: They would have to be extremely dim to think that soldiers who died fighting the Nazis...................were Nazis . They weren't fighting Nazis, this was WW1, fighting the Ottoman Empire, I've a great uncle buried somewhere out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBlond Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jingthing said: I don't think you know much about Israeli culture. It's different than diaspora Jewish culture. So they've completely gotten over the holocaust in Israel? It's never mentioned on TV? Don't they have a Holocaust Remembrance Day public holiday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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