Denied entry, sent back to Frankfurt

[luk AJ]

Indeed these stories are rather the exception than the rule but eventually it will be picked up by the media and from there on the downward unstoppable spiral will be very problematic for Thailand. This combined with the slagging economy and the antique politics can’t compete with booming countries like Malaysia, Vietnam Myanmar etc..

I regularly travel to Cam Ranh(vietnam) direct flight from Don Mueang. They are building maybe 50 resorts at the same time a few kms from the airport.

If Thailand doesn’t adjust their strategy they will loose big on tourism. Don’t forget they already lost the the textile industry, the shrimp business and now the car industry starts to move out.

It will be quiet here within 5-10y

 

 

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[holy cow cm]

I agree this should hit international news. Maybe then they will stop the circus of refusals or stop the issuing of tourist visa. They can’t or shouldn’t have it both ways. For me I am on a long term but there are many many people out there who can take two - three sets of holidays per year and don’t even work in this country. 

[Myran]

4 hours ago, yogi100 said:

All we can do is copy & paste these stories and email them to our governments' foreign affairs departments and national newspapers.

 

Every year nearly a million people from Germany holiday in the Land of Scowls.

And every year nearly a million Germans have absolutely no issues holidaying in Thailand. The vast minority who experience issues are the ones trying to live here on tourist visas.

[473geo]

8 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I wasn't saying or suggesting my history is/was the same as the OPs.

 

I was saying, even with my lesser time in Thailand on a year to year basis during those days, I'm not sure I'd avoid entry hassles coming in today if I was doing the same thing today I was doing back then  --  which is a whole lot less than the OP's time in country.

 

 

Understand -  even so, the point I make is your record, even to me, reads much more like a frequent visitor than somebody attempting to stay long term on a tourist visa, which is the problem the OP encountered.

It's the short trips to neighbouring countries, you went back 'home'. Didn't extend your visa exempt, Probably why there were no questions, and, would have a fair chance of doing the same now.

[marqus12]

9 minutes ago, spiekerjozef said:

You would be very dumb not having an insurance. Good new rule

some insurance companies pay a dividend of 8%.
maybe it's even more stupid to pay them and wisely just buy their shares ?

[BestB]

26 minutes ago, david555 said:

I send you the second screenshot where poster answered on a question …..and the land office answered  it made NO difference..... I think you did not read that line on second screenshot …so here it is once more .

 

anyway it is not my problem as am not in such a under scrutiny company form , just let you now …. just as here where smoke is ….could be fire . 

So according to this poster all comps yes including all the multinationals can no longer have foreign directors? You do of course realise how insane that sounds and all will be packing up.  But welcome to believe an annonymous poster of what he thought he heard or understood ????

[473geo]

13 minutes ago, balo said:

Nonsense, ever heard of Digital Nomads?  They can work anywhere in the world for as long as they like.  International contracts , does not involve Thailand in any way except they want to live there some months every year. 

Ah so true.....but live...as in live and work......METV as in 'Tourist visa' not quite the correct fit then

With the correct visa I'm sure entry would be a formality

[Los Luver]

I was hopping that the OP could provide some details about his history to know the real reason why he was denied but it seems that he left the house.

 

The reason is that I will apply for a METV for the first time and I start to worry now how it'll go.

I hope you guys can provide some info.

I've been in LoS about 19 times before. Always on visa exempt. I got visa extension twice, only. 17 times were between 1-4 week trips.

Last time was November last year. This will be the first time this year. But I planed a long stay.

My plan is :

- 2 months in Pattaya. Booked a condo and paid for 1 month. The landlord said I could pay when I check in.

- 18 days in the Philippines, return ticket BKK-Manila already paid. Hotels already paid in Manila & Cebu.

- Return to LoS, have booked the same condo for these 2 months

I have my return ticket home from BKK right after these 2 months

to sum up: 2 months in LoS + 20 days out to Phil + 2 months in LoS.

           20th of November 2019 -  17th of April 2020

In my 1 year old passport I got only 2 stamps from LoS (3 weeks in Augus 2018 + 2 weeks in November 2018)

 

How does this sound??? Any chance to be refused ???? and I especially worry about the RE-entry in February

Is it better to have a SETV and apply for an other in Phil. ??

instead of a METV from home

I have a plan to buy a MC in Pattaya for my trips, but it seems a very bad idea!!!

 

Edited October 13, 2019 by Los Luver

[david555]

1 minute ago, BestB said:

So according to this poster all comps yes including all the multinationals can no longer have foreign directors? You do of course realise how insane that sounds and all will be packing up.  But welcome to believe an annonymous poster of what he thought he heard or understood ????

Are we not all anonymous posters with correct or non correct info /…. ?  just saw the post a day ago  ….. how many we thought where fake and are appearing now for real and in power ….

 

A alarm is always good to check out ….just to take the needed measures 

Just like I am now alarmed for the THAI insurance needed for non o ret ext.from next year extension in force ,( also from someone annonimous ) who got it from a boss immigration warning for next year coming …!! who would trouble me as I have a  AXA but from home country …..so I would not mind in my case to put a higher money on bank than the insurance forcing …. each to their own ….

 

 

[amykat]

Remember at times when Thailand seemed to be courting long stay visitors?  They would put statements out about various ways to lure them here??  What happened to that?  Now you are treated like a criminal or undesirable or suspicious for being a frequent customer.

 

I think we should flip the idea around, like airlines, do they start to reject you as a passenger when you travel too often?  Accuse you of being a drug mule?  Do they require more of a background check the more you travel with them?  A deposit?  Or do they start to reward you and give you benefits??

 

Thailand could offer a frequent visitor visa that you earn by frequent visits and time invested here, treat you better than the one time tourist who never comes back.  They could offer gold status, silver status ...they love that stuff, and not charge of course for that.

[whitemouse]

4 hours ago, nightfox said:

Surprise surprise....Another falang trying to live in Thailand on a tourist visa being denied. When will people learn that the times have change 

 

I wonder what German immigration will say if a Thai citizen will have a history of tourist visas keep coming into Germany????

German immigration follows German law - a Thai tourist with a valid tourist visa will be granted entry, and Thai tourist stays as long as visa allows. German Immigration Officer follows the law. Travellers history is irrelevant, a valid visa holder is allowed Schengen entry, simple as that.

[BestB]

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

Are we not all anonymous posters with correct or non correct info /…. ?  just saw the post a day ago  ….. how many we thought where fake and are appearing now for real and in power ….

 

A alarm is always good to check out ….just to take the needed measures 

Just like I am now alarmed for the THAI insurance needed for non o ret ext.from next year extension in force ,( also from someone annonimous ) who got it from a boss immigration warning for next year coming …!! who would trouble me as I have a  AXA but from home country …..so I would not mind in my case to put a higher money on bank than the insurance forcing …. each to their own ….

 

 

Insurance makes sense , this does not, especially when most of thai industrial sector is foreign companies.

 

Having this rule apply to companies which exist solely to own house also makes sense but for all companies simply does not because it would create an all out exodus of all foreign companies and investment 

[david555]

2 minutes ago, amykat said:

Remember at times when Thailand seemed to be courting long stay visitors?  They would put statements out about various ways to lure them here??  What happened to that?  Now you are treated like a criminal or undesirable or suspicious for being a frequent customer.

 

I think we should flip the idea around, like airlines, do they start to reject you as a passenger when you travel too often?  Accuse you of being a drug mule?  Do they require more of a background check the more you travel with them?  A deposit?  Or do they start to reward you and give you benefits??

 

Thailand could offer a frequent visitor visa that you earn by frequent visits and time invested here, treat you better than the one time tourist who never comes back.  They could offer gold status, silver status ...they love that stuff, and not charge of course for that.

The whole problem situate about the proper visa for long stay and the problem about digital nomads or other working abroad nomads I guess …. I am sure they (Gov. People ) read here too …..as any country do on local internet 

[david555]

6 minutes ago, BestB said:

Insurance makes sense , this does not, especially when most of thai industrial sector is foreign companies.

 

Having this rule apply to companies which exist solely to own house also makes sense but for all companies simply does not because it would create an all out exodus of all foreign companies and investment 

yeah and Thailand never shot in his foot ….never make unlogic decisions  …. yes we  trust them for that ….lol5555

Anyway 3 years ago I saw the wind changes , changed future plan , not buying condo anymore , and now using that condo money in stead of transfering €'s in , saves me now from that lousy exchange rate …. and in 2022 I am out of here …..unless drastic changes in favor should come .

Never had problem , …. but ask myself when is it my turn ….

Edited October 13, 2019 by david555

[whitemouse]

2 hours ago, sillyfool said:

these posts are stupid now.

 

 

No! These posts are extremely helpful. Tourists need to know that Tai immigration does not honour a visa issued by Thai embassies, this is extraordinary. People need to know this! 

[yogi100]

38 minutes ago, Myran said:

And every year nearly a million Germans have absolutely no issues holidaying in Thailand. The vast minority who experience issues are the ones trying to live here on tourist visas.

Well the German who started this particular topic certainly had an 'issue' no matter what sort of a visa he was trying to live there on.

 

He got sent straight back to the Fatherland!

[Salerno]

7 minutes ago, whitemouse said:

Tourists need to know that Tai immigration does not honour a visa issued by Thai embassies, this is extraordinary. People need to know this! 

What about the rest of the countries that cancel visas at the border ... should we all have faux outrage about them too?

[En Vision]

35 minutes ago, Los Luver said:

I was hopping that the OP could provide some details about his history to know the real reason why he was denied but it seems that he left the house.

 

The reason is that I will apply for a METV for the first time and I start to worry now how it'll go.

I hope you guys can provide some info.

I've been in LoS about 19 times before. Always on visa exempt. I got visa extension twice, only. 17 times were between 1-4 week trips.

Last time was November last year. This will be the first time this year. But I planed a long stay.

My plan is :

- 2 months in Pattaya. Booked a condo and paid for 1 month. The landlord said I could pay when I check in.

- 18 days in the Philippines, return ticket BKK-Manila already paid. Hotels already paid in Manila & Cebu.

- Return to LoS, have booked the same condo for these 2 months

I have my return ticket home from BKK right after these 2 months

to sum up: 2 months in LoS + 20 days out to Phil + 2 months in LoS.

           20th of November 2019 -  17th of April 2020

In my 1 year old passport I got only 2 stamps from LoS (3 weeks in Augus 2018 + 2 weeks in November 2018)

 

How does this sound??? Any chance to be refused ???? and I especially worry about the RE-entry in February

Is it better to have a SETV and apply for an other in Phil. ??

instead of a METV from home

I have a plan to buy a MC in Pattaya for my trips, but it seems a very bad idea!!!

 

History is that from 2018 on, I had definitely more than 180 days stay in Thailand. 4th METV. That all doesn't really matter, I read from other OP's that they get denied with even the 2nd METV. Basically more than 6 months, and 2 METV in a year isn't allowed, this is what I think.

 

And what you're planning sounds risky, probably because I'm more or less filled with fear right now. The first METV shouldn't be a problem, but I don't know really...

Edited October 13, 2019 by En Vision
wrong number

[david555]

1 minute ago, yogi100 said:

Well the German who started this particular topic certainly had an 'issue' no matter what sort of a visa he was trying to live there on.

 

He got sent straight back to the Fatherland!

Yogi …. next on could be a …… (fill in by choice & chance ….) ????

[Markphuket]

Very interesting topic as don’t follow TV as intensely as I use to but this is first story I’ve read of someone being refused entry on a METV

 

Id like to know the OP posters history if he had any over stays, was his METV back to back or how long was the gap between leaving Thailand on his last METV and then returning as On the face of thing I can’t see a

reason for him being rejected as METV is a totally valid visa for long stay tourist.

 

read the normal rubbish he not a proper tourist because for time spent,  gf etc. but definition of tourist is someone traveling or visiting for pleasure. There is no time limit when you magically cross from being a tourist to something else. As long as he wasn’t working by definition he is exactly a tourist regardless of posters personal beliefs what a tourist is.

 

maybe immigration had sufficient grounds to believe he was working as I don’t imagine Germany is viewed as high risk nation of abusing for purpose of working on a tourist visa and would be targeted, maybe he was just very very unlucky and got the wrong officer at immigration on a bad day. Maybe the OP had a bad attitude and the officer lost face. Not saying this happened but are possibilities.

 

but there is a big gaping question why he was given his METV by a consulate as the METV has much higher requirements then the single

entry visa. Multiple also you must apply in your home country but single can be applied for in any country. As many have stated if you proved and met all requirements for the visa how can you then be denied entry
 

unless we can get a more detailed account of events. I have to believe it nothing to do with the METV itself and something to do with the OP or his past history.

[BritTim]

47 minutes ago, Markphuket said:

Very interesting topic as don’t follow TV as intensely as I use to but this is first story I’ve read of someone being refused entry on a METV

 

Id like to know the OP posters history if he had any over stays, was his METV back to back or how long was the gap between leaving Thailand on his last METV and then returning as On the face of thing I can’t see a

reason for him being rejected as METV is a totally valid visa for long stay tourist.

 

read the normal rubbish he not a proper tourist because for time spent,  gf etc. but definition of tourist is someone traveling or visiting for pleasure. There is no time limit when you magically cross from being a tourist to something else. As long as he wasn’t working by definition he is exactly a tourist regardless of posters personal beliefs what a tourist is.

 

maybe immigration had sufficient grounds to believe he was working as I don’t imagine Germany is viewed as high risk nation of abusing for purpose of working on a tourist visa and would be targeted, maybe he was just very very unlucky and got the wrong officer at immigration on a bad day. Maybe the OP had a bad attitude and the officer lost face. Not saying this happened but are possibilities.

 

but there is a big gaping question why he was given his METV by a consulate as the METV has much higher requirements then the single

entry visa. Multiple also you must apply in your home country but single can be applied for in any country. As many have stated if you proved and met all requirements for the visa how can you then be denied entry
 

unless we can get a more detailed account of events. I have to believe it nothing to do with the METV itself and something to do with the OP or his past history.

Immigration abrogating tourist visas is not new. It has been a steadily worsening problem at certain airports over the last year or so. Until 2017, although you could be denied visa exempt entry (reasonable in my view) you were pretty safe with a visa unless they could find a legitimate reason under Section 12 of the Immigration Act to exclude you. Now, it is not clear that a tourist visa is of any value whatsoever for entry at the rogue airports.

[FritsSikkink]

4 hours ago, dimitriv said:

 

This is not fair. They can see your history. If that is a reason to deny you at the border than a consulate should not issue a visa.

 

 

The consulate can't see your history.

[FritsSikkink]

4 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Except they're basically (with one limited exception) only going to accept Thai insurance policies, even for people who already have full coverage in Thailand thru their home country or other international insurance.

 

Do you like paying $2000 USD a year for a pretty useless Thai insurance policy that would only cover a fraction of what your pre-existing home country or international policy already covers?

 

Not to mention, NONE of the recently announced requirements have anything to do with people coming here visa exempt or on tourist visas, who typically are the ones who end up with hospital related go-fund-me pleas.  They're totally and completely exempt for now.

 

How's that for "good ideas"?

I do agree that they should except people who already have full coverage in Thailand thru their home country or other international insurance. I also think that tourist should have insurance too.

[Trek800]

What do you guys think am I going to have any problems entering Thailand this December? 

My last 3 years history is: 2017 spent about 77 days in a country with with visa 3 exempt entries (not back to back)

2018 spent about 8 months in Thailand with two SETV-s and four visa exempt entries, with a one month trip to Europe between those two tourist visas.

2019 spent 60+30 days in LOS with SETV (Left the country on June 24th)

 

And now December 2019 I plan to enter Thailand at BKK airport for 3 days, leave to Japan for 4-5 days trip with a girlfriend and enter Thailand again for 15 days but this entry would be in DMK airport.

How’s that sounds, do you think I will experience any problems with immigration with travel plans like that?

[SteveK]

31 minutes ago, Trek800 said:

How’s that sounds, do you think I will experience any problems with immigration with travel plans like that?

The way things are going right now, I don't think anyone can give you a clear cut answer, as it seems to depend on the mood of the IO that you come up against. But you do have a history of spending a significant amount of time in the country on VE entries, and tourist visas plus extensions, so there is a very real chance of being questioned upon arrival. You haven't been doing back to back stays which may work in your favour, or then again it may make zero difference. I can't see them being concerned about you coming in for three days, but you're much more likely to get grief re-entering Thailand at DMK only 5 days later, my gut instinct tells me that you may well get refused as DMK is supposedly even worse than Suvarnabhumi, but of course you may just waltz right through.

Edited October 13, 2019 by SteveK

[BritTim]

30 minutes ago, Trek800 said:

What do you guys think am I going to have any problems entering Thailand this December? 

My last 3 years history is: 2017 spent about 77 days in a country with with visa 3 exempt entries (not back to back)

2018 spent about 8 months in Thailand with two SETV-s and four visa exempt entries, with a one month trip to Europe between those two tourist visas.

2019 spent 60+30 days in LOS with SETV (Left the country on June 24th)

 

And now December 2019 I plan to enter Thailand at BKK airport for 3 days, leave to Japan for 4-5 days trip with a girlfriend and enter Thailand again for 15 days but this entry would be in DMK airport.

How’s that sounds, do you think I will experience any problems with immigration with travel plans like that?

Your chances would be good. However, it could be touch and go if you encounter the wrong immigration official at DMK, especially if their detention room is relatively empty. What is your age?

[dimitriv]

53 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

>> This is not fair. They can see your history. If that is a reason to deny you at the border than a consulate should not issue a visa.

 

The consulate can't see your history.

 

Than they should change that. It cannot be so complicated. Especially not if immigration officers can see your history in their computers. It is no excuse to give people a visa which is then denied.

 

 

 

[pommyBrexitBarstool]

how many times do you need to be told! dont under any circumstances fly directly into thailand if you have any sort of history

fly into nearby countries and cross a land border, better still get the tgf to come to the neighboring country instead

here are the prices to nearby countries search the list https://www.skyscanner.com/transport/flights-from/fran/191019/?adults=1&children=0&adultsv2=1&childrenv2=&infants=0&cabinclass=economy&rtn=0&preferdirects=false&outboundaltsenabled=false&inboundaltsenabled=false&ref=home

Edited October 13, 2019 by pommyBrexitBarstool

[rabang]

I spent 6 months from November 2018 until May 2019 in Thailand with two SETVs, one extension and a visa excempt. With the latter one I already was questioned after 3 months of stay at BKK. I was about to book a ticket and go back for this winter with an METV but fortunately didn't do it yet as this looks quite scary. I have to maybe reconsider or at least delay it a bit. One option would be to use the fast track service. I did it on my last entry in April and sailed through with zero problems. I got the impression that when you pay for the service and are escorted to the booth with the company representative, unless there is some real issue you should be fine. The IO is maybe under more pressure to let you through than normally. I don't know if they are also in some way preselected for that task as they are dealing with priority passengers. Otherwise it might be a waste of money if the reports about lack of queues are correct but not a bad deal for more peace of mind IMO.

[sillyfool]

5 hours ago, whitemouse said:

No! These posts are extremely helpful. Tourists need to know that Tai immigration does not honour a visa issued by Thai embassies, this is extraordinary. People need to know this! 

maybe his tourist gf could chime in on this one. 

 

the gymnastics some of you go through to justify your activities is hilarious. acting so surprised that corrupt gov't officials are in fact.....corrupt. who would of thunk it. 

 

as one poster has stated a few times. why not just go to another country where things seem to be much easier ? 

 

yet these guys keep coming back here. why the glutton for punishment ?...seems strange to knowingly subject yourself to such ordeals time and time again.

 

why cant i be a faux tourist for most of the calendar year...boo hoo little me.

 

wake me up when i have to do my next border run.