Denied entry, sent back to Frankfurt

[Buuge]

9 hours ago, nightfox said:

I wonder what German immigration will say if a Thai citizen will have a history of tourist visas keep coming into Germany????

its offtopic: you just have to throw away your passport and tell whatever name/age/where you from, then you can live in Germany with all kind of social insurance

[Trek800]

1 hour ago, BritTim said:

Your chances would be good. However, it could be touch and go if you encounter the wrong immigration official at DMK, especially if their detention room is relatively empty. What is your age?

My age is 34. Im thinking maybe they will let me take a Thai passport Queue since Im travelling with a Thai Citizen. Would really suck if they send me back to Japan when I have my return flight back to Canada two weeks later from BKK. 
This time Im really a genuine tourist, day after my arrival actually my mother is coming to Thailand for a 2 weeks holiday, we have domestic flights, rental car and hotels booked. Even if immigration at DMK will stop me for questioning and they are willing to listen what I have to say and explain my situation then there shouldn't be a problem but who knows in what kind of mood this officer have who supposed to stamp my passport.

[jackdd]

9 hours ago, DavisH said:

The OP isn't a genuine tourist....you know the ones. They come, spend money, travel around, then leave. And may return, or not return the following year or asubsequent year. The OP needs a different kind of visa or needs to find a different country. 

Can you show me the official rule which says that only the tourists which match your definition may enter as tourist?

[cerox]

Assuming with your history you get an ED visa, which I think with the current passport is unlikely, they might just deny you again in Bangkok, land border is safer.

[cerox]

What I find really disgusting is how Immigration deals with the refusals.

Letting people wait in detention for days (other stories) so they basically agree to buy an expensive ticket out.

Not everyone has the time to keep up with the "Immigration news" all the time. At least they could warn those people (once per person would be fine) and give them a 24h stamp into the country. This way they could leave on their own to a neighboring country. But it seems they are determined to really "punish" them.

[jacko45k]

11 hours ago, wisperone said:

So people work for months to save for their trip, plan for months, spend money on expensive plane tickets, book hotel rooms, travel for as much as 30+ hours to get there.....and all the time wondering am I going to be let in or sent back home. Seriously, is it worth the stress, time, money aggravation?

Don't be a drama queen. What we see is people who have spent extensive time in Thailand previously trying to get back in to live... and being vetted and returned. And you include an important phrase 'work for months'.... and  'saving'.... usually that doesn't fit a person who spent the last 8 months from 12 in Thailand already on TVs. 

As to these wonderful people putting money into the economy, it is a drop in an Ocean. They get 11 million visitors every 3 months, too many of them I suspect.

Edited October 14, 2019 by jacko45k

[meechai]

1 hour ago, Trek800 said:

My age is 34. Im thinking maybe they will let me take a Thai passport Queue since Im travelling with a Thai Citizen.

This is no longer possible

Because the Thai Que has a simple scanner for Thai passport only entry, but the foreigner ques now have full finger printing equipment that is needed for entry. The Thai Que does not have such

[meechai]

About this whole issue of turning away folks with METV etc... Thailand can do as they please but, They should get their $#@! together with their foreign consulates that sell these visa's. IF not a tourist should be able to file a claim for the wasted airfare if turned around at BKK

 

After all the Thai Consulates in which ever country is selling the Visa & can see the passport that they are inserting visa into. Why should the right hand of Thailand not know what the left hand wants? How is this the applicants fault AFTER they spend thousands to travel & many hours in the air.

 

I really think those refused should have recourse if up to that point the followed official channels

[Trek800]

4 minutes ago, meechai said:

This is no longer possible

Because the Thai Que has a simple scanner for Thai passport only entry, but the foreigner ques now have full finger printing equipment that is needed for entry. The Thai Que does not have such

Okay, that makes sense. I thought there are e gates for those Thais who are holding e passport and regular gates for regular passport holders, but I guess now with the new fingerprinting thing it's not going to work anymore. How about if Thai is taking a foreign line at the passport control, are they going to allow it? 

[wreckingcountry]

Surprise surprise....Another falang trying to live in Thailand on a tourist visa being denied. When will people learn that the times have change in Thailand. Thai immigration is right saying that your not a tourist as you know your not a tourist, so why are you acting all shocked?. I would get the hint and save yourself the money on the ED visa and choose another country to live in.
 
I wonder what German immigration will say if a Thai citizen will have a history of tourist visas keep coming into Germany????

Nonsense ! He is a tourist ! Fact is Germany is more open to foreign visitors than any other European country! Something you can’t say about Thailand “open to visitors from Europe “


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[meechai]

7 minutes ago, Trek800 said:

Okay, that makes sense. I thought there are e gates for those Thais who are holding e passport and regular gates for regular passport holders, but I guess now with the new fingerprinting thing it's not going to work anymore. How about if Thai is taking a foreign line at the passport control, are they going to allow it? 

I doubt it since now they have officials at the intersection of Thai/Foreign entry

telling folks which way to go. Also...

They want to scan the Thai Passports & there is not that scanner at foreign line

also  Thai's no longer fill in the TM6 arrival/departure cards

Edited October 14, 2019 by meechai

[Lovethailandelite]

2 hours ago, Trek800 said:

This time Im really a genuine tourist

And on previous visits, you wasn't a genuine tourist? Now you understand where your previous history comes into play.

[NightSky]

The reasons for these decisions can be explained in two words..

 

1. taxes

2. money

[baboon]

7 hours ago, Salerno said:

What about the rest of the countries that cancel visas at the border ... should we all have faux outrage about them too?

'Your Honour, my client may well be guilty of murder. But what about the Khamer Rouge? Why aren't they in the dock instead of my client, eh?'

Dear oh dear...

[jacko45k]

Just now, baboon said:

'Your Honour, my client may well be guilty of murder. But what about the Khamer Rouge? Why aren't they in the dock instead of my client, eh?'

Dear oh dear...

It is called diversion.... or finger pointing for the young.

[baboon]

2 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

It is called diversion.... or finger pointing for the young.

AKA Whataboutery.

[baboon]

8 hours ago, amykat said:

Remember at times when Thailand seemed to be courting long stay visitors?  They would put statements out about various ways to lure them here??  What happened to that?  Now you are treated like a criminal or undesirable or suspicious for being a frequent customer.

 

I think we should flip the idea around, like airlines, do they start to reject you as a passenger when you travel too often?  Accuse you of being a drug mule?  Do they require more of a background check the more you travel with them?  A deposit?  Or do they start to reward you and give you benefits??

 

Thailand could offer a frequent visitor visa that you earn by frequent visits and time invested here, treat you better than the one time tourist who never comes back.  They could offer gold status, silver status ...they love that stuff, and not charge of course for that.

Interesting too is the banks not refusing transfers into Thailand on the grounds that you send or receive money too often or the money may not have been honestly obtained. Why is the junta not taking measures to limit or reject transfers to one's spouse, say? 

[Trek800]

37 minutes ago, Lovethailandelite said:

And on previous visits, you wasn't a genuine tourist? Now you understand where your previous history comes into play.

Always been a genuine tourists. Just not a big problem for me to have a 8 months off from work after every couple of years.

[madmen]

8 hours ago, En Vision said:

History is that from 2018 on, I had definitely more than 180 days stay in Thailand. 4th METV. That all doesn't really matter, I read from other OP's that they get denied with even the 2nd METV. Basically more than 6 months, and 2 METV in a year isn't allowed, this is what I think.

 

And what you're planning sounds risky, probably because I'm more or less filled with fear right now. The first METV shouldn't be a problem, but I don't know really...

Why can't you upload a pic of the stamp and what was written in you're passport. you were asked several Page's back ??

[nightfox]

55 minutes ago, wreckingcountry said:

Nonsense ! He is a tourist ! Fact is Germany is more open to foreign visitors than any other European country! Something you can’t say about Thailand “open to visitors from Europe “


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A tourist with a history of TV trying to live in Thailand......You forgot that part!

[Skallywag]

15 hours ago, En Vision said:

I explained I'm just a tourist, have savings and wanting to visit my girlfriend.

From my experience, "tourists" don't have girlfriends.   Yet. 

Likely best to just say "tourist",  have a nice hotel booked to put on your TM 6 entry form (even if for just one night), be pleasant, smile, and act like a newbie tourist.

(though all the stamps in your passport likely to give you away if all from Thailand)

Edited October 14, 2019 by Skallywag

[marqus12]

23 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

From my experience, "tourists" don't have girlfriends

when I came here for the first time and it was afternoon
in the evening i had a girlfriend .

 

[problemfarang]

Well it sound like you are trying to live in Thailand with tourist visas as many comments above mentioned. 

 

With all respect.. i totally agree and understand immigration in your case. You have some tourists visas already.. coming back.. telling them visiting your girlfriend.. they all telling us that your trying to live in here. And people doing this are the reason why immigration is very strict now. 

 

i know you want to come and live here but why not do it in the right way! If you really love your girlfriend this much (visiting her many times, trying to live with her, etc.) marry her.

[law ling]

A generally correct observation:

 

15 hours ago, nightfox said:

Surprise surprise....Another falang trying to live in Thailand on a tourist visa being denied. When will people learn that the times have change in Thailand. Thai immigration is right saying that your not a tourist as you know your not a tourist, so why are you acting all shocked?. I would get the hint and save yourself the money on the ED visa and choose another country to live in.

 

I wonder what German immigration will say if a Thai citizen will have a history of tourist visas keep coming into Germany????

... so why did the embassy issue the visa? The real problem is that the embassies and IOs are NOT on the same page, causing otherwise unnecessary distress and inconvenience to some visa applicants.

[Gweiloman]

Nonsense ! He is a tourist ! Fact is Germany is more open to foreign visitors than any other European country! Something you can’t say about Thailand “open to visitors from Europe “

 

 

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Rubbish! Do you know how much easier it is for a tourist from Germany to visit Thailand than it is the other way round?

In some ways, Thai immigration is taking revenge on those countries, particularly western ones, for making it difficult to impossible for some genuine Thai tourists to visit and spend money

 

 

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[marqus12]

41 minutes ago, law ling said:

A generally correct observation:

 

... so why did the embassy issue the visa? The real problem is that the embassies and IOs are NOT on the same page, causing otherwise unnecessary distress and inconvenience to some visa applicants.

It is not a problem they can see a passport in the embassy.
New passport?
Simple declaration how many days and on what visas the applicant

has spent in Thailand in the last 24 months.

If the declaration were false, that would be the actual basis

for deportation. Don't even need connected systems.

 

But can't make money from it

and it's not such great fun for THEM

[TSF]

Comparing Thailand immigration to western countries is like comparing pickled onions to watermelons. All western countries have numerous Thais living, working, running businesses, they have citizenship, passports, access to welfare, pensions, medical. So it's understandable that most western countries have stricter immigration policies to limit the numbers that are getting their snouts into the welfare troughs. This is not a problem in Thailand. We foreigners get nothing. All we do is spend spend spend. What's it matter if someone spends 12 months a year on tourist visas spending money all day every day? They're never ever going to get Thai citizenship and free medical cover and access any Thai pension schemes or support systems. The Thais have the system locked up as tight as they possibly can. 

[gk10002000]

17 hours ago, En Vision said:

I explained I'm just a tourist, have savings and wanting to visit my girlfriend.

Mentioning steady girlfriend probably did not help.

[Thaifriends]

Visa or Entry is a Courtesy, not a right.

 

So no need to brag about it. They did just fine and within their limitations.

[ChipButty]

I would imagine very soon these airlines are going to get <deleted> off with the Thai immigration the amount on a daily basis they are rejecting,

One way around this would be dont fly long haul into Thailand maybe to Malaysia at least it's a short flight and spend your money there