Denied entry, sent back to Frankfurt

[ChipButty]

2 hours ago, baboon said:

Interesting too is the banks not refusing transfers into Thailand on the grounds that you send or receive money too often or the money may not have been honestly obtained. Why is the junta not taking measures to limit or reject transfers to one's spouse, say? 

No because you have the Buffalo's to feed and her sisters sowing machine is broken

[EricTh]

14 hours ago, sweatalot said:

You'r right.

But: The other visas like retirement visas, marriage visas are made more and more difficult. First the money in the bank that you cannot touch for months. Then the new plans of compusory health insurance. The hassle with TM 30 ... And more hassle to be expected

That's why people are starting to look at other places like Philippines or Latin America.

[EricTh]

12 hours ago, balo said:

Nonsense, ever heard of Digital Nomads?  They can work anywhere in the world for as long as they like.  International contracts , does not involve Thailand in any way except they want to live there some months every year. 

 

Digital nomads aren't really tourist, that's called 'working online' and the real purpose should be conveyed to immigration .

 

Whether immigration will create another visa category for 'working digital nomads' is another story.

 

Edited October 14, 2019 by EricTh

[emptypockets]

15 hours ago, marqus12 said:

Currently can book 40m2 hotel room in Patong for two people
with pool, morning breakfast included, three stars, good condition

for 350 baht with webside booking fees !

(smaller room even below 300 baht)

 

And they still don't let customers in "los"55555

Wow! Rockefeller is in town,

[emptypockets]

15 hours ago, SteveK said:

Maybe someone with a bit of clout could come up with a professional sounding letter about what is going on, including some of the reports on here. Then we can get together a massive list of all the half-decent newspapers and websites and just send it out via email, can't imagine it would be that much effort.

Why don't you just do it?

[FritsSikkink]

7 hours ago, dimitriv said:

 

Than they should change that. It cannot be so complicated. Especially not if immigration officers can see your history in their computers. It is no excuse to give people a visa which is then denied.

 

 

 

A consulate has not the authority an embassy has. So it is complicated. People who live here, own an apartment, own a bike or a car, live with a girlfriend, no damn well that they aren't a tourist and shouldn't try to get a tourist visa to start with.

Edited October 14, 2019 by FritsSikkink

[emptypockets]

14 hours ago, sweatalot said:

You'r right.

But: The other visas like retirement visas, marriage visas are made more and more difficult. First the money in the bank that you cannot touch for months. Then the new plans of compusory health insurance. The hassle with TM 30 ... And more hassle to be expected

There have been no changes to the marriage 'visa'. Stop fearmongering.

[marqus12]

16 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Wow! Rockefeller is in town,

The receptionist had tears in her eyes when she saw that breakfast was included 555

[emptypockets]

12 hours ago, whitemouse said:

German immigration follows German law - a Thai tourist with a valid tourist visa will be granted entry, and Thai tourist stays as long as visa allows. German Immigration Officer follows the law. Travellers history is irrelevant, a valid visa holder is allowed Schengen entry, simple as that.

With a suitcase full of heroin? its obvious you know little about immigration/customs procedures anywhere. IO's have the right to refuse entry in every country. Simply having a valid visa is no guarantee of entry.

[moe666]

17 hours ago, nightfox said:

Surprise surprise....Another falang trying to live in Thailand on a tourist visa being denied. When will people learn that the times have change in Thailand. Thai immigration is right saying that your not a tourist as you know your not a tourist, so why are you acting all shocked?. I would get the hint and save yourself the money on the ED visa and choose another country to live in.

 

I wonder what German immigration will say if a Thai citizen will have a history of tourist visas keep coming into Germany????

Does it matter what they say about one Thai guy or woman.

[Huayrat]

17 hours ago, nightfox said:

Surprise surprise....Another falang trying to live in Thailand on a tourist visa being denied. When will people learn that the times have change in Thailand. Thai immigration is right saying that your not a tourist as you know your not a tourist, so why are you acting all shocked?. I would get the hint and save yourself the money on the ED visa and choose another country to live in.

 

I wonder what German immigration will say if a Thai citizen will have a history of tourist visas keep coming into Germany????

If someone wants to spend their money in another country and doesn't cost that country a penny on medical services etc then what's the problem?

[Basil B]

19 minutes ago, Huayrat said:

If someone wants to spend their money in another country and doesn't cost that country a penny on medical services etc then what's the problem?

If someone is working without the correct paperwork then probably not paying tax or spending a lot of their time in Thailand and not paying tax on income.

 

In theory someone could evade paying tax to anyone by working online and moving from country to country.

 

Thailand getting tough on pi$$-takers???

Edited October 14, 2019 by Basil B

[SpanishExpat]

2 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Rubbish! Do you know how much easier it is for a tourist from Germany to visit Thailand than it is the other way round?

In some ways, Thai immigration is taking revenge on those countries, particularly western ones, for making it difficult to impossible for some genuine Thai tourists to visit and spend money

 

 

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That`s simply not true! Noone with a decent job/property in Thailand gets denied from the Germany Embassy in Bangkok. That counts for tourists with a fixed itinerary and thai gf`s coming for a visit. But what do you expect, when some low-class woman without a job or a sub 20k Baht job goes to the embassy, asks them for the maximum stay, tells them she and her teerak met during his 2 weeks holiday in Thailand and so on? lol Those are no fake stories, as my gf saw that happen every time when she went to the German embassy. She never ever got a problem and all I had to do was the usual invitation letter. She pays the flights, insurance everything on her own, so do all her friends with farang bf`s. 5 min Q&A at the embassy with some pics of us together....that`s it. 

 

So the process isn`t really that time-consuming + with the clear set of laws/rules a Thai tourist with a visa knows he/she won`t face problems at the immigration. She has the 1 yr visa knowing exactly what is the maximum period of time she could spend in theory in the Schengen-Area. 

Edited October 14, 2019 by SpanishExpat

[fruitman]

22 hours ago, dimitriv said:

 

1) German immigration will follow the law. Which is written, clear to everybody, and is the same at all airports.

2) They would not have given him a visa to begin with. 

 

 

And so will all the other SCHENGEN countries, german visa's are the same as for all those countries.

 

If Thailand doesn't want the westerners that's fine, but then they shouldn't give them a visa at all.

[from the home of CC]

2 hours ago, emptypockets said:

There have been no changes to the marriage 'visa'. Stop fearmongering.

again, based on unproved posting an avalanche of doomsayers, what is it with people who face some adversity wishing ill feelings on others? 

[from the home of CC]

5 hours ago, madmen said:

Why can't you upload a pic of the stamp and what was written in you're passport. you were asked several Page's back ??

I guess it's great for the owners of the site but a little integrity could be shown by requiring these type of threads to prove their accusations. Another crock of BS imo.

[gamini]

19 hours ago, Lungstib said:

Its a strange country that can decide that people with money and time off are not welcome. Why Thailand has decided that frequent visitors cant be tourists is beyond me but I suppose another country will finally pick up the business. Good luck with whatever you do next.

I'm sure he exceeded the 180 days that defines a tourist. Why do people criticise Thailand when it's the same in most countries. You can't stay in Australia or New Zealand for more than 180 days as a tourist or visitor 80. Anyone who stays more than a hundred and 180 days in a calendar year is not a tourist and in most countries would be subject' to income tax. 

[Gweiloman]

That`s simply not true! Noone with a decent job/property in Thailand gets denied from the Germany Embassy in Bangkok. That counts for tourists with a fixed itinerary and thai gf`s coming for a visit. But what do you expect, when some low-class woman without a job or a sub 20k Baht job goes to the embassy, asks them for the maximum stay, tells them she and her teerak met during his 2 weeks holiday in Thailand and so on? lol Those are no fake stories, as my gf saw that happen every time when she went to the German embassy. She never ever got a problem and all I had to do was the usual invitation letter. She pays the flights, insurance everything on her own, so do all her friends with farang bf`s. 5 min Q&A at the embassy with some pics of us together....that`s it. 
 
So the process isn`t really that time-consuming + with the clear set of laws/rules a Thai tourist with a visa knows he/she won`t face problems at the immigration. She has the 1 yr visa knowing exactly what is the maximum period of time she could spend in theory in the Schengen-Area. 

My gf is a low class lo-so Isaan girl without a job or property. So you are saying that it’s correct for her to be denied a visa if I want to take her to Europe for a holiday ?


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[Myran]

14 hours ago, whitemouse said:

German immigration follows German law - a Thai tourist with a valid tourist visa will be granted entry, and Thai tourist stays as long as visa allows. German Immigration Officer follows the law. Travellers history is irrelevant, a valid visa holder is allowed Schengen entry, simple as that.

You are misunderstanding what a visa actually is.

 

A visa is a request for permission to enter a country, not a formal permission to enter. An issued visa basically says that the individual seems to fulfill the requirements to enter the country under the conditions established in the particular visa, but it is up to immigration to make the actual decision regarding whether or not the person should  be granted permission to enter the country.

 

You are inferring that an immigration officer who turns away a visa holder is breaking the law, which is not the case. This is applicable both to the Schengen area as well as Thailand. 

[Pedrogaz]

Why can't you just get the proper visa?

If you haven't got the money then save it up. But if you come, come on the correct visa and you will be ok.

[EricTh]

39 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

Why can't you just get the proper visa?

If you haven't got the money then save it up. But if you come, come on the correct visa and you will be ok.

I think it's because for decades, the norm is to go for visa/border runs and they can stay indefinitely.

 

But it seems that starting this July 2019, immigration has cracked down on these 'tourists' after the head of immigration became aware of these activities.

 

That's why we see lots of refusals recently.

Edited October 14, 2019 by EricTh

[hansnl]

20 hours ago, mduras01 said:

Times will keep changing. Thailand has the right to choose — just like Europe. Contrary to popular belief, they do not need every single person’s money. When the new requirements of retirement visas broke out, a minority of the 75,000 retirees in Thailand thought the country was going down the drain because of their threat to go elsewhere.  Seriously? All they are asking for is BE a proper tourist. Or BE a proper retiree. Just BE. No, really.

Of course, the authorities don't need everybody's money, they have enough or can get enough.

It are the people relying on the money brought in by the retirees needing the money.

But that is if no interest whatsoever to the authorities.

 

75,000 retirees in Thailand?

If I see the number of retirees from the Netherlands, a country of 17.5 million, 5000+, the number you quote seems to be silly.

 

By the way, 75000 retirees each bringing in 65000 baht per month is quite a hefty sum of money, 58,500,000,000 baht that is. Translates more of less info 60,000 people doing a living out if it, minimum.

 

Be a tourist, be a retirees? Yes, if the rules are reasonable and not changing all the time. But, you will not like this, but the way retirees are thought about puts them all squarily in the criminal corner.

Obviously you like that.

 

Might be interesting to find out how many retirees have disappeared from Thailand in 2019, Vietnam and Phillipines are favoriete. In my friends circle, of the seven three have gone elsewhere, for a combination of the baht, rules and Feeling unwelcome. Yes all were real retirees with more thank enough income per month.

 

[lkv]

4 hours ago, ChipButty said:

I would imagine very soon these airlines are going to get <deleted> off with the Thai immigration the amount on a daily basis they are rejecting

They won't, since 95% of the daily reports of rejections on a specific Thai visa forum are fake.

[Tayaout]

Just now, lkv said:

They won't, since 95% of the daily reports of rejections on a specific Thai visa forum are fake.

The airline representative assigned to my case and some american guy said they were fed up will all the recent denial but they can't do much about it.

[Austrian26]

20 hours ago, ukrules said:

It's becoming risky to visit Thailand these days if you've been before.

 

I can see a situation where people arrive in December 2019 for their annual winter holiday having spent 3 months say December 2018 to March 2019 (90 days) the previous winter only to be rejected for their annual holiday.

 

They're now rejecting people who don't live here and aren't doing 'visa runs' - they're rejecting people who like to go on holiday frequently.

 

Airlines should take action on this.

 

I would like to see some official warnings from the European governments about tourists being subject to random rejections on arrival.

Austrian Embassy already giving out warnings of random rejections when getting the visa. 

[SpanishExpat]

16 minutes ago, EricTh said:

I think it's because for decades, the norm is to go for visa/border runs and they can stay indefinitely.

 

But it seems that starting this July 2019, immigration has cracked down on these 'tourists' after the head of immigration became aware of these activities.

 

That's why we see lots of refusals recently.

It`s not a crack down, but just some issues a specific entry points. If your assumption was true, no long-term tourist would be here anymore, as we have to leave every 60 days. It`s a 100% subjective denial with no clear pattern. I nearly got denied in July with 108 days in Thailand 2019, so the 180 rule (which is just an excuse, as there is no law) wasn`t the reason. Sure, I was over 180 days in 2018,  but that`s not the issue here. No one know HOW they apply their fantasy "you stay too long"-rules, so therefore it`s just subjective. 

 

What about guys, who use the METV and max it out to 8 months, while travelling a lot and stay under that 180 day- fantasy rule? They also may get denied, because some over-motivated IO may think they stay too long. But in reality it`s fully legal do that year after year. So everyone needs a Plan B/C to minimize the risk. I have it, but won`t share it publicly for sure.

 

 

 

Edited October 14, 2019 by SpanishExpat

[Pravda]

5 hours ago, problemfarang said:

Well it sound like you are trying to live in Thailand with tourist visas as many comments above mentioned. 

 

With all respect.. i totally agree and understand immigration in your case. You have some tourists visas already.. coming back.. telling them visiting your girlfriend.. they all telling us that your trying to live in here. And people doing this are the reason why immigration is very strict now. 

 

i know you want to come and live here but why not do it in the right way! If you really love your girlfriend this much (visiting her many times, trying to live with her, etc.) marry her.

 

So how do you marry when you're denied entry? 

[peterb17]

20 hours ago, wisperone said:

So people work for months to save for their trip, plan for months, spend money on expensive plane tickets, book hotel rooms, travel for as much as 30+ hours to get there.....and all the time wondering am I going to be let in or sent back home. Seriously, is it worth the stress, time, money aggravation?

Yes - they are tourists on a trip of a lifetime - there is no way whatsoever a family / individual would be denied entry - they do not have a passport full of stamps - don’t be silly 

[nickmondo]

if you are coming for a short visit, with a METV, and you can show your accomodation, some money, your return ticket............they will let you in.

 

[lkv]

6 minutes ago, nickmondo said:

if you are coming for a short visit, with a METV, and you can show your accomodation, some money, your return ticket............they will let you in.

 

Why would someone pay 200 dollars or equivalent for short visits?

 

They are free of charge.