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I have been living here full-time for almost 9 years. I love the people, the food, the north of Thailand generally. And yet, I find myself not recommending Thailand as a place for my friends to visit. I generally suggest that we meet up in someplace else like Penang, Siem Reap, Hanoi, etc. For a place to live, I think Thailand is fine - if you can deal with the antics of immigration - but it has lost some of the luster as a tourist destination. Some of it is that Chiang Mai in particular but Thailand in general is being overrun PRCs (what my ethnic Chinese friends call the folks from mainland China - they find them annoying as well) and then the long standing practice of double pricing, especially by the government itself, e.g. national parks. Even though Bali is overrun by tourists as well, I think it is more tourist friendly. 
 
So I am curious if others that have been here for a few years find that they are doing similar things.
 
David
 
p.s. For anyone thinking I am bashing Thailand, go back and read the first two sentences.

No, not Thai bashing. Just Chinese bashing


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8 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:


No, not Thai bashing. Just Chinese bashing


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Only mainland Chinese bashing. Something my ethnic Chinese friends in Thailand, Malaysia, and Singapore and I have in common. PRCs are not popular in any of those places.

 

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4 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

both as a place to vacation, a country to visit, or a location for retirement.

That´s 3 things and not 2.

However, how can you be so irresponsible, that you wish the people you know, your friends and their friends to die of pollution? 🤣🤣

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Yes, we recommend it to many of our mainland Chinese friends and family. Many are weary of living in an oppressive regime whose leader is now threatening to break bones in Hong Kong, guess they see the same happening on the mainland again.

 

Many new mainland friends are already here with their families,in a couple of cases 3 generations, having made the decision to uproot and find a new life for themselves.

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54 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

Why are you so childishly pedantic?  Why do you have this need to show off to absolute strangers?

It´s not pedantic, it´s right. Please post again if you can oppose that.
 

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How can you be so foolishly illogical as to think I 'wish' people to die?

You seem to add two plus two and think the result is five.

Rather, I 'wish' them to enjoy the same peace, tranquility, and comfortable lifestyle we have found while living in Chiang Mai. Just so long as they avoid negative doom-sayers like you, they will have a long and happy life. We certainly have. It does really just require avoiding the Drama Queens.

Because you recommend them to stay in one of the most polluted areas in Thailand. Mean that you knowingly invite them to a place where they have the chance to die quicker.

I also know that ain´t the reason why you invite them, because you do not realize the threat and the risks. You invite them out of the beautiful place, tranquility, as well as all the things there is to do. That does not make my statement any less true, though.

And no. 2 +2 is still 3. It´s you that chose to ignore the facts and make it 5.

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2 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

 

A) You need to learn the definition of 'pedantic.'

[NOTE: A pedant is a person who is excessively concerned with formalism, accuracy, and precision, or one who makes an ostentatious and arrogant show of learning.]

 

B) It's not a matter of correct or not... It's a platform for you to attempt to show off your English grammar skills, and ironically, make a mistake doing so!  Again, why do you feel the need to try to show off to complete strangers.

 

As I said before, the way to enjoy life is not get caught up in the misery-loves-company of Drama Queens such as you. so... bye bye.

I have no english grammar skills, due to that it´s not my native language.

No, I do not show off. I am telling you the truth based on fact, instead of the fairytale you are offering hidden behind a deep smog.

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I've never recommended Chiang Mai as a holiday destination. It's quite boring and has very little to offer when compared to other destinations in Thailand/SEA, at least in my humble opinion.

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1 hour ago, FolkGuitar said:

 

Golf, tennis, horseback riding, swimming, Archery, fishing, motorcycle touring, trekking, fencing, table tennis on a professional level, modern and ballroom dancing, hill walking, meditation centers, billiards, spas, shopping centers, medical tourism, nigh clubs, great restaurants, museums, galleries, zoos, concerts, cultural and agricultural expositions, and of course, sex, drugs, and rock and roll.

What is it that you are not finding here? Frankly, I can't find enough hours in the day to do all the things I want to do here!

There's nothing I personally want that I can't find (well there is but it's not relevant to holidaymakers), I'm talking about Chiang Mai from the perspective of a holiday destination. Sure there are many organised activities available but those are available in numerous locations across Thailand. It's just my personal opinion really - I couldn't in good conscience recommend CM as a holiday destination because I find the place dull and uninspiring. The city itself is quite ugly, the food and accommodation is questionable in many venues and the bars close very early: if I were flying to Thailand from the other side of the world, I think I'd much rather stay in Bangkok if I wanted a city break or a coastal location if I wanted a relaxing holiday in the sun.

 

Looking more closely at your list, many of the activities/destinations wouldn't be on my holiday 'to do' list. Ballroom dancing, fishing, professional table tennis, meditation, hospitals and agricultural expositions are of little interest to most holidaymakers I'd have thought. If sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll are what you want, there are many better places. The zoo is a bit of a dump to be honest and if it's concerts, shopping centres, museums, great restaurants and night clubs you want, Bangkok has it beaten by a country mile.

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Still recommending Thailand/CM to friends?

No sorry we don't

We have family here so still return to visit

 

But no to recommending Thailand & especially no to recommending the

once quaint but now burnt out CM to friends

The good years are well & truly behind Thailand these days. It has been overrun & cheap tourism with lack of country upkeep has taken its toll on both the country & the locals now mostly weary of tourists.

 

For us deep in the country it is still ok to visit but again only because we have family we love

to see. If not? There are far better deals & places to visit in the world today.

 

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