Unveiling government plan, Queen says priority is to exit EU on Oct. 31

[NanLaew 21,049]

25 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

The Queen's speech was little more than an election campaign speech by the Tories who do indeed expect to get much of it's pledges killed off.   Typical of Johnson and his gang to promise much knowing they won't be in a position to deliver it. ...

The Queen's Speech is and forever has been simply the manifesto of ANY elected government uttered royally. The Remainer's pathetic attempts to make it look like some sort of unconstitutional and illegal manipulation of the monarchy by ANY Prime Minister is playing to the ignorance of the masses. You know, like the ones they say that voted to leave?

 

Oh, wait...

 

25 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

... However there seems to be a glimmer of a hope of a deal and that is surely a step in the right direction.  Let's just see how many more concessions Boris is prepared to make to get a deal agreed.

It does indeed seem to be more like 2 steps forward and 1 step back as they huddle with the EUrocrats. Must be serious stuff as Hammond and Major have stopped waffling and even the 2-strike Miss Millar has gone below periscope depth.

 

This is pretty good as an Idiot's Guide to the Benn Act. Pay attention, there will be a test on this!

 

NB: Note the two very important assumptions in the bottom right (small print).

 

Edited October 15, 2019 by NanLaew

[Tchooptip 3,892]

 I was born in London in 1944 with a French parachutist father, murdered by the militiamen a little before my birth, and a French mother too.
So I have two passports and although more French by culture, the UK has always been, in my dreams, the country I admired the most in the world.
Its culture its customs even its inhabitants, lol, it seemed to me that no country in the world did look like it and especially did not have the high class of the kingdom.
And today it's hard to say how sad I am about everything that happens there.

[evadgib 16,816]

2 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

More brexitocracy hyperbole 

Lol; In your desperation you failed to consider the decades by which the legislation you think you have ridiculed preceded the Brexit vote 

Edited October 15, 2019 by evadgib

[sandyf 5,187]

4 hours ago, JAG said:

It is not Mr Johnson's election, nor is it the election granted by Parliament (or more accurately perhaps by the alliance of the opposition and the Tory rebels) it is the election which belongs to the British electorate.

The electorate is not entitled to an election until 2022. Any election before that is dependent on those that sit in the HOC.

[sandyf 5,187]

4 hours ago, baansgr said:

Coalition, the correct phrase

No it is not, minority government is correct.

There is no coalition with the DUP, it is a "Confidence & Supply" agreement. Only applies to budget and brexit issues, everything else is a case by case basis.

[sandyf 5,187]

3 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Is the implication re: Article 51 that the 'threat' of legal consequences against the PM should he not send the letter is sufficient to invalidate the letter because he would be acting under duress? 

The court was told the government would comply, telling porkies to the court will only ever be seen as self inflicted duress.

 

"On Monday, Lord Pentland said the UK government had accepted it would "comply fully" with the Benn Act, and that there was "no proper basis" on which the court could decide that it would not." https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49975066

 

Should the government fail to comply then the court will revisit the issue.

 

"He said the "normal course" would be to dismiss the petition, but this would leave little time for the campaigners to lodge a new one in the event of Mr Johnson refusing to comply with the Benn Act.

The judges therefore continued the case until 21 October, because "the position ought to be significantly clearer" by then." https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49975066

[Nigel Garvie 3,733]

2 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Good to have you on side! I'll DM you my SCB number 

You got there first, I was intending to write the same thing. Mind if I have a share? I'd prefer it in Bhats to my Thai bank account if that's all ok!

[evadgib 16,816]

38 minutes ago, sandyf said:

The court was told the government would comply, telling porkies to the court will only ever be seen as self inflicted duress.

 

"On Monday, Lord Pentland said the UK government had accepted it would "comply fully" with the Benn Act, and that there was "no proper basis" on which the court could decide that it would not." https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49975066

 

Should the government fail to comply then the court will revisit the issue.

 

"He said the "normal course" would be to dismiss the petition, but this would leave little time for the campaigners to lodge a new one in the event of Mr Johnson refusing to comply with the Benn Act.

The judges therefore continued the case until 21 October, because "the position ought to be significantly clearer" by then." https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49975066

The quoted convention seemingly renders the above irrelevant although my gut feeling is that BJ is trying to put lipstick on a pig by re-hashing May's BRINO.

 

(I'll keep looking )

Edited October 15, 2019 by evadgib

[JHolmesJr 10,965]

Looks like its finally happening despite the douchebags trying to overturn it.

God save this lovely lady.

[Letseng 737]

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Luckily your defeatist attitude is not shared by most.

 

All we need is a way around the Benn (Dover) surrender act and we can get back to self governance on November 1st. 

And turn the clock back to the days of public executions. This may not be a bad idea. Britain could start fresh without the likes of Boris, Cummings et al.

 

[bert bloggs 6,028]

4 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Do 'we'? What have 'we' won, because more than half the voters in Scotland don't feel like winners at the moment? 

so vote to leave ,then lose all the money you get from parliament ,like free prescriptions,free university ,free bridge tolls ,free personal care ,regardless of age  means tested council tax where 500,000 lower income get it free oh and i forgot free dentistry . 

so go on vote to leave and be free ,doubt all the freebies will be in the future though .

now while saying that i have nothing against the Scots ,or the Irish who get free water ,free prescriptions ,or the Welsh who get them free as well ,only England has to pay .

 

[NanLaew 21,049]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

There is no coalition with the DUP, it is a "Confidence & Supply" agreement.

Semantics.

 

Personally, I prefer the old, "You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours."

Edited October 15, 2019 by NanLaew
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[NanLaew 21,049]

43 minutes ago, Letseng said:

And turn the clock back to the days of public executions. This may not be a bad idea. Britain could start fresh without the likes of Boris, Cummings et al.

 

Ooohh, steady on there. I was more thinking about stocks on the village green and being pelted with rotten veg or the dunking stool in the village pond maybe.

[NanLaew 21,049]

26 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

so vote to leave ,then lose all the money you get from parliament ,like free prescriptions,free university ,free bridge tolls ,free personal care ,regardless of age  means tested council tax where 500,000 lower income get it free oh and i forgot free dentistry . 

so go on vote to leave and be free ,doubt all the freebies will be in the future though .

now while saying that i have nothing against the Scots ,or the Irish who get free water ,free prescriptions ,or the Welsh who get them free as well ,only England has to pay .

 

Maybe take that up with your local, English member of parliament?

[bert bloggs 6,028]

15 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Maybe take that up with your local, English member of parliament?

Ime not English ,ime one of the other ones