AAArdvark Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I am on a 1st year O-A visa. My original permitted to stay date was 28 February 2020. I just returned from an overseas trip in CM. The IOs fumbled around for a while with the date stamp. So I returned on 14 October with a permitted to stay stamp of 12 October 2020. Not a big deal, but it seems like they were off by a day or is there some creative counting being used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterbkk2 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I am on a 1st year O-A visa. My original permitted to stay date was 28 February 2020. I just returned from an overseas trip in CM. The IOs fumbled around for a while with the date stamp. So I returned on 14 October with a permitted to stay stamp of 12 October 2020. Not a big deal, but it seems like they were off by a day or is there some creative counting being used?Hi, It looks correct to me. You are not 1 day short. You need to remember to count your entry day as the first day of your 1 year permission to stay. So instead of adding 365 to 14-OCT, you need to add 364 to 14-OCT-2019 to get 12-OCT-2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Not forgetting that next year is also a leap year Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviajero Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 hours ago, peterbkk2 said: Hi, It looks correct to me. You are not 1 day short. You need to remember to count your entry day as the first day of your 1 year permission to stay. So instead of adding 365 to 14-OCT, you need to add 364 to 14-OCT-2019 to get 12-OCT-2020. It’s wrong and 1 day short. If he arrived on Oct 14th he should be stamped in until Oct 13th 2020. They don’t count days as the permission to stay is for 1 year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviajero Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 hours ago, AAArdvark said: So I returned on 14 October with a permitted to stay stamp of 12 October 2020. Not a big deal, but it seems like they were off by a day or is there some creative counting being used? Yes it’s 1 day short. You could get it changed at immigration, but it’s probably not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Gweiloman said: Not forgetting that next year is also a leap year Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Yes but still it should be October 13. I did a border run with the Non-O A on Oct 9, 2011, Got stamped Oct 8, 2012 (leap year). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifjsrussell Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Yes it’s 1 day short. You could get it changed at immigration, but it’s probably not worth it.No it’s correct. Next year is a leap year. I arrived back on my OA this Sept 25th, and am stamped in to Sept 23 2020 in Phuket. They do take into account the leap year extra day.Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) Not for me in 2011/2012. Maybe things have changed. But indeed the Thai consulate in Berlin writes about 365 day stay. Edited October 15, 2019 by KhunBENQ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Yes but still it should be October 13. I did a border run with the Non-O A on Oct 9, 2011, Got stamped Oct 8, 2012 (leap year).They probably overlooked the fact that 2012 was a leap year. Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviajero Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, ifjsrussell said: No it’s correct. Next year is a leap year. I arrived back on my OA this Sept 25th, and am stamped in to Sept 23 2020 in Phuket. They do take into account the leap year extra day. Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app The leap year is irrelevant. An O-A visa gets you permission to stay for 1 year, not 365 days. If IO's are issuing 365 days they have made a mistake. MFA website. http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908/15385-Non-Immigrant-Visa-"O-A"-(Long-Stay).html 5. Recommendations for foreigners with Non-Immigrant Visa “O-A” (Long Stay) while staying in the Kingdom 5.1 Upon arrival, holder of this type of visa will be permitted to stay in Thailand for 1 year from the date of first entry. Edited October 15, 2019 by elviajero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAArdvark Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) My original entry was on 1 Mar 2019 and my original permitted day was February 28. So it looks like they didn't count leap year or at least they used 365. Edited October 15, 2019 by AAArdvark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviajero Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, AAArdvark said: My original entry was on 1 Mar 2019 and my original permitted day was February 28. So it looks like they didn't count leap year or at least they used 365. Your original entry was correct. There is nothing written anywhere that suggests permission to stay is for 365 days; it's 1 year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berybert Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Will you be taking anymore trips outside the country before the end of February ? If you do make sure they don't make the same mistake again. Life's hard enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Your original entry was correct. There is nothing written anywhere that suggests permission to stay is for 365 days; it's 1 year.If it’s 1 year, then shouldn’t the permitted date of stay be 29 Feb 2020 instead of 28 Feb?Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifjsrussell Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 The leap year is irrelevant. An O-A visa gets you permission to stay for 1 year, not 365 days. If IO's are issuing 365 days they have made a mistake. MFA website. http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908/15385-Non-Immigrant-Visa-"O-A"-(Long-Stay).html 5. Recommendations for foreigners with Non-Immigrant Visa “O-A” (Long Stay) while staying in the Kingdom 5.1 Upon arrival, holder of this type of visa will be permitted to stay in Thailand for 1 year from the date of first entry.Well I’m going by what actually happens at Phuket Immigration. As you can see two separate entries, both 365 days. Obviously policy here in Phuket, and from the OP policy in Chiang Mai. Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviajero Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 56 minutes ago, Gweiloman said: If it’s 1 year, then shouldn’t the permitted date of stay be 29 Feb 2020 instead of 28 Feb? Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Good point. Yes it should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviajero Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 53 minutes ago, ifjsrussell said: Well I’m going by what actually happens at Phuket Immigration. As you can see two separate entries, both 365 days. Obviously policy here in Phuket, and from the OP policy in Chiang Mai. Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app I could show you 50 stamps all showing 365 days because that is the length of most years. But the rules for a Non OA Visa state 1 year, not 365 days. Some stays issued by immigration are for a specific number of days, and some for a specific number of years. The IO’s stamping an OA visa holder in for 365 days are wrong, it should be 1 year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifjsrussell Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I could show you 50 stamps all showing 365 days because that is the length of most years. But the rules for a Non OA Visa state 1 year, not 365 days. Some stays issued by immigration are for a specific number of days, and some for a specific number of years. The IO’s stamping an OA visa holder in for 365 days are wrong, it should be 1 year. Ok, I give up, you’re right and Phuket immigration is wrong. Sadly if you fly into phuket it is they that actually apply the rule not you. (as does Chiang Mai it appears) Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamyai3 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 50 minutes ago, ifjsrussell said: Ok, I give up, you’re right and Phuket immigration is wrong. Sadly if you fly into phuket it is they that actually apply the rule not you. (as does Chiang Mai it appears) My Non O-A stamp is the same - arriving at Bangkok in May this year I got an arrival date two calendar days earlier for May 2020. This is inconsistent with previous entry stamps in earlier years where it's usually one day short of the year. The leap year explanation makes sense in this case, though not sure whether they stamped it correctly or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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