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40 minutes ago, david555 said:

it done over & out for the moment ….. next extension or nothing , I don't see any solution in this short few weeks day's

can not be done technically as 27 country heads have to be informed if ANY changes could be made to "sweeten" the DUP ...

"It is worth remembering that the DUP is the party that says no. “No surrender” was its slogan in its heyday when it was led by its bombastic founder, the now deceased Ian Paisley.

 

It is also worth remembering that it did not support the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement in 1998. And we know what happened there."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/oct/17/eu-leaders-gather-for-summit-as-boris-johnson-scrambles-to-get-backing-for-brexit-deal-politics-live

 

The DUP are like my wee boy..

 

"Go take a shower."

 

"No."

 

"Go take a shower right now!"

 

"No!!"

 

"Go take a shower right now. ...I have ice cream."

 

"OK!"

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24 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

So if the DUP and ERG reject Boris' deal, surely Brexit is finally over with. An indefinite extension and a non Tory government (scuppered by Farage!) and we can just revoke and remain.

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The ~10 hardline ERG eurosceptics will be negated by the ~10 Labour rebels. However...

 

EU Referendum 101

 

By constituency: 406 Leave, 242 remain.
By voting area: 263 Leave, 119 remain.
By constituent country - England: 53% leave, 46.6% remain.
By constituent country - N Ireland: 44.2% leave, 55.8% remain.
By constituent country - Scotland: 38% leave, 62% remain.
By constituent country - Wales:52.5% leave, 47.5 remain.
By party seat- Labour: 148 leave, 84 remain.
By party seat - Tory: 247 leave, 80 remain.
By party seat - Lib Dem: 2 leave, 7 remain.  
By MP: 248 Leave, 400 Remain.

 

Nope... Unless you're Northern Irish, Scottish, Lib Dem or an MP, I still can't see any real right to revoke anything.

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10 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

"It is worth remembering that the DUP is the party that says no. “No surrender” was its slogan in its heyday when it was led by its bombastic founder, the now deceased Ian Paisley.

 

It is also worth remembering that it did not support the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement in 1998. And we know what happened there."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/oct/17/eu-leaders-gather-for-summit-as-boris-johnson-scrambles-to-get-backing-for-brexit-deal-politics-live

 

The DUP are like my wee boy..

 

"Go take a shower."

 

"No."

 

"Go take a shower right now!"

 

"No!!"

 

"Go take a shower right now. ...I have ice cream."

 

"OK!"

I think the DUP shall be the one responsible to break the good Friday agreements ….. by ultimate be the only ones responsible to have a kind of a boarder on the Island .

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45 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Still spouting the tired old cliches about Brexiteers? No wonder Remain lost the Referendum with such a poor understanding of the Leave demographic.

 

You have it in one, Brexiteers are overwhelmingly older by demographic than Remainers - established in many, many surveys - it is widely accepted. Whether they are also more tired I wouldn't care to judge. I am older though, and more tired than I was when I was younger!

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50 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Still spouting the tired old cliches about Brexiteers? No wonder Remain lost the Referendum with such a poor understanding of the Leave demographic.

 

It's amazing that Remainers still haven't learnt that insulting people doesn't make them change their minds. Should you be fortunate enough to get another referendum, no doubt you'll be in a state of shock when Leave wins again. Maybe you should get out and talk to some Brexiteers face to face (no doubt you'd drop the insults when you're not hiding behind a keyboard) and find their real reasons for leaving. You might be surprised.

Hence the thin skinned response then?

I'll sum up my position in Brexit. Its stupid. Was I in the UK i would have voted against it. I've put up lots of detailed arguments on this board on why I think so.

But it is happening, and it will likely benefit me personally as an Australian. Doesn't mean that I don't think it is stupid, but i'm a 'make your own bed' type of fellow.

The harder the brexit the better I reckon, if only for the reason one tends to watch slow motion car crashes and then slows down to rubber neck as you drive by. 

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15 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

You have it in one, Brexiteers are overwhelmingly older by demographic than Remainers - established in many, many surveys - it is widely accepted. Whether they are also more tired I wouldn't care to judge. I am older though, and more tired than I was when I was younger!

Well you're no spring chicken and frequently moaning about the effect of the exchange rate so you don't exactly fit the theory.  

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1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Still spouting the tired old cliches about Brexiteers? No wonder Remain lost the Referendum with such a poor understanding of the Leave demographic.

 

It's amazing that Remainers still haven't learnt that insulting people doesn't make them change their minds. Should you be fortunate enough to get another referendum, no doubt you'll be in a state of shock when Leave wins again. Maybe you should get out and talk to some Brexiteers face to face (no doubt you'd drop the insults when you're not hiding behind a keyboard) and find their real reasons for leaving. You might be surprised.

But the leave demographic was by and large, older, less well educated people.

 

You can see the reasons why - they are ( apart from Spain dwelling retires) the people less likely to use FOM and see it as a positive thing. They are also the demographic more likely to read the tabloid press and believe the rubbish spewed   there.

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3 hours ago, NanLaew said:

nobody can realistically predict that things can be 'expected to drag' into whenever. Nobody can realistically claim there will be any "multiple no-deal cliff-edges."

Of course they can.

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9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Well you're no spring chicken and frequently moaning about the effect of the exchange rate so you don't exactly fit the theory.  

I'm older too - you might have noticed I too tend to support remain. 

 

Just because more levers are older it doesn't mean every older person is a leaver !

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8 hours ago, bannork said:

The Brexiteers don't like to mention that our attraction as a market will decrease from well over 500 million people to 67 million. Little England literally.

What you didn't mention is that the over 500 million people are shared between 27 other countries. Some get a larger share than others and some get less.

 

I think that of those 27 other countries perhaps 6 or 7 are net payers in and the remainder get subsidised.

 

8 hours ago, Basil B said:

Here we go again blame the EU, They are in Brussels waiting for Boris.

Boris spent most of yesterday trying to come up with a deal that the ERG and DUP will accept, this is a guy who really believes Farther Christmases sledge is pulled by Unicorns and all those Tory MP's he F'ed Off the other week are going to vote for his deal when in reality the whole of the Tory party is falling apart like a clowns car at the circus.

So you are knocking Boris for trying to do the job he was elected to do.

 

If he does (nothing) you knock him. I actually meant to say something instead of nothing. Stupid boy Pike.

 

If he does nothing you knock him.

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12 minutes ago, samran said:

Hence the thin skinned response then?

I'll sum up my position in Brexit. Its stupid. Was I in the UK i would have voted against it. I've put up lots of detailed arguments on this board on why I think so.

But it is happening, and it will likely benefit me personally as an Australian. Doesn't mean that I don't think it is stupid, but i'm a 'make your own bed' type of fellow.

The harder the brexit the better I reckon, if only for the reason one tends to watch slow motion car crashes and then slows down to rubber neck as you drive by. 

Nothing thin skinned in my response, re-read it. 

 

So you think it's stupid, therefore anyone who supports it must be stupid. Classic, overly simplistic <deleted> logic.

 

Since you raised the issue of the "personal" effect of Brexit, I can say the only effect on me has been mainly positive. In real terms, my property value in the UK has continued to increase steadily since 2016 and the portion of my salary that goes home every month is now buying me 30% more pounds than it was. My brother in law who works in finance in the city says he's never been busier. The only complaints I've heard from family and friends in the UK is that their holidays are more expensive due to the weak pound. That doesn't mean I don't have sympathy for people sending money the other way, but any change in FX will always benefit some and cause issues for others, that's the nature of the beast.

 

However, my reason for supporting Brexit was NOT economic and I would be prepared to take a short term economic hit (let's say 5 years) to break free of the federalist EU project, regain sovereignty, open our trade up to the rest of the world, regain control of UK borders and fishing waters, stop funding other countries in the EU to take care of UK taxpayers etc. because I believe medium to long term it will benefit the UK. That doesn't mean a short term hit is inevitable, just that I believe it would be a price worth paying if it happened. 

 

You might consider someone who is prepared to take a short term financial hit to regain those things as stupid, but I would say that I am looking longer term than you and have different priorities. If it makes your world view less problematic to write someone off with different views or priorities as "stupid" then I believe that says more about you than it does me. 

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3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Ah the old Brexit Dunkirk spirit 🙂

You know Dunkirk was a bloody disaster yes?

This is off topic and I apologise for responding but...

 

No it wasn't a disaster. A big setback certainly.

 

To pull 337,xxx troops of the beaches in such a short time with no shore based infrastructure was little short of a miracle and a whole lot of hard work.

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