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3 hours ago, NanLaew said:

In your eyes maybe,

 

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I thought this one was better though.

 

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but to me it alludes to...

 

And turning losses into VICTORIES!

Thank you for that and for sticking up for the UK.

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25 minutes ago, tebee said:

But the leave demographic was by and large, older, less well educated people.

 

You can see the reasons why - they are ( apart from Spain dwelling retires) the people less likely to use FOM and see it as a positive thing. They are also the demographic more likely to read the tabloid press and believe the rubbish spewed   there.

As someone who is probably lower than the average user age on the forum, I find it perplexing that all the old retirees on here moaning about having to cut back on things like eating out due to the exchange rate are so keen to write off the vote of older people in the UK as if their vote is less worthy. 

 

These are people that have worked their whole lives, paid into the system and rightly expect to see some payback for it in their old age. To somehow dismiss their vote or even worse, laugh about how many of them have died since 2016 is deeply disrespectful. So what if more old people voted Leave? They earned their vote and it should be respected as much as anyone else's. So what if someone worked as a binman or a bricklayer for 45 years, he's entitled to his opinion as much as some clueless 18 year old student whose been brainwashed by their A level Sociology teacher. The idea that all Leavers are stupid and all Remainers are sophisticated members of Mensa is deluded.

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14 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Nothing thin skinned in my response, re-read it. 

 

So you think it's stupid, therefore anyone who supports it must be stupid. Classic, overly simplistic <deleted> logic.

 

Since you raised the issue of the "personal" effect of Brexit, I can say the only effect on me has been mainly positive. In real terms, my property value in the UK has continued to increase steadily since 2016 and the portion of my salary that goes home every month is now buying me 30% more pounds than it was. My brother in law who works in finance in the city says he's never been busier. The only complaints I've heard from family and friends in the UK is that their holidays are more expensive due to the weak pound. That doesn't mean I don't have sympathy for people sending money the other way, but any change in FX will always benefit some and cause issues for others, that's the nature of the beast.

 

However, my reason for supporting Brexit was NOT economic and I would be prepared to take a short term economic hit (let's say 5 years) to break free of the federalist EU project, regain sovereignty, open our trade up to the rest of the world, regain control of UK borders and fishing waters, stop funding other countries in the EU to take care of UK taxpayers etc. because I believe medium to long term it will benefit the UK. That doesn't mean a short term hit is inevitable, just that I believe it would be a price worth paying if it happened. 

 

You might consider someone who is prepared to take a short term financial hit to regain those things as stupid, but I would say that I am looking longer term than you and have different priorities. If it makes your world view less problematic to write someone off with different views or priorities as "stupid" then I believe that says more about you than it does me. 

Stop putting words into my mouth. I called Brexit stupid. I didn't say people who supported it necessarily are. Plenty of Tories were against it, but see political value in supporting it now to further their careers. Plenty of business people see self interest in Brexit - mainly as they can now benefit from less competition -  but will happily wrap themselves in the flag to protect themselves from too much criticism.

 

As for the rest of your post - your selflessness to take an economic hit brings a tear to my eye.

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Maybe Bojo is throwing them under his red bus.....55555 lol

 

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16 minutes ago, evadgib said:

a 'yes, minister' summing up the latest attempted stitch up:

No, actually a failed UKIP candidate in the Shaftsbury council elections in 2017.

 

Lester "Jeff" Taylor. One of the more extreme members of UKIP....and that's saying something!

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48 minutes ago, tebee said:

But the leave demographic was by and large, older, less well educated people.

The well proven fact that the demographics showed that more graduates voted Remain does not in any shape of form suggest that they were any better educated or qualified than the mostly older, Leavers who at most probably had some of their GCE's. To suggest such is not only presumptuous but frankly quite rude. To keep touting that old mantra three years after it was cheered very loudly by the denialist Remainers just confirms that they have run out of meaningful, credible things to debate.

 

Over my 40-odd years working around the world, having a degree has conferred automatic brilliance on very, very few of my peers and clients. Some of them, despite being CEO's and the like aren't very bright at all and with some I ponder who tied their bloody shoelaces in the morning.

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9 hours ago, bannork said:

The Brexiteers don't like to mention that our attraction as a market will decrease from well over 500 million people to 67 million. Little England literally.

British people are confident that the UK can stand on its own two feet .

We dont need the rest of Europe to improve us  

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9 minutes ago, sanemax said:

British people are confident that the UK can stand on its own two feet .

We dont need the rest of Europe to improve us  

Whatever of the UK is left you mean...

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1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

As someone who is probably lower than the average user age on the forum, I find it perplexing that all the old retirees on here moaning about having to cut back on things like eating out due to the exchange rate are so keen to write off the vote of older people in the UK as if their vote is less worthy. 

 

These are people that have worked their whole lives, paid into the system and rightly expect to see some payback for it in their old age. To somehow dismiss their vote or even worse, laugh about how many of them have died since 2016 is deeply disrespectful. So what if more old people voted Leave? They earned their vote and it should be respected as much as anyone else's. So what if someone worked as a binman or a bricklayer for 45 years, he's entitled to his opinion as much as some clueless 18 year old student whose been brainwashed by their A level Sociology teacher. The idea that all Leavers are stupid and all Remainers are sophisticated members of Mensa is deluded.

Indeed it's their democratic right to vote no matter how old and stupid they are ! But it's equally my democratic right to continue to oppose brexit and to try to stop it as what is proposed now is completely different to  what was proposed at the time of the referendum.

 

I think it's sad brexit  has caused this split between the generations and to a lesser extent, between educated and less well educated. I don't think the social consequences  for the future UK will be worth it even if brexit turns out to be the nivana that was promised.

 

It's sad that any brexit achieved now will undoubtedly be overturned as those younger people age and become the majority.  All this pain and anguish will have been for nothing. The best of our next generation will simply vote with their feet and leave whatever remains of the Uk. 

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