Bassosa Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Does anyone know what a hotel manager for a small ~20 room hotel makes in Chiang Mai? I'm talking about someone with an education and background in hotel management who has experience. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Guess it doesn’t matter if the room rate is 400 Baht per night or 15,000 B/night. A manager is a manager?I surely would pay more for a manager of expensive rooms. Why wouldn’t you?Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassosa Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Bill97 said: Guess it doesn’t matter if the room rate is 400 Baht per night or 15,000 B/night. A manager is a manager? I surely would pay more for a manager of expensive rooms. Why wouldn’t you? Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Brand new 3* boutique hotel in prime location - room rates between 1500-2000 per night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante99 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 80,000 Baht per month with an annual performance bonus of 25% if goals are met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Brand new 3* boutique hotel in prime location - room rates between 1500-2000 per night.What sort of usp’s to justify such a price?Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmsally Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 The market of 3 star boutique in a price range of approx 1500 Bt is pretty saturated. I would say they are not going to be able to afford a "manager" as such. More a generic overseer to check stuff gets done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassosa Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 19 hours ago, Dante99 said: 80,000 Baht per month with an annual performance bonus of 25% if goals are met. Really? That's one hell of a salary for a Thai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmsally Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Some off topic posts have been removed. I think the OP was just implying 80k was quite high. Maybe doable in one of the larger hotels but very unlikely in a small place. Also remember you would need a fair bit of experience to get a job like this. There are a number of people who have had many years in the business that would be eligible for the top jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante99 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Bassosa said: Really? That's one hell of a salary for a Thai You want an experienced manager who will be given authority and have responsibility you will need to pay. You want something less, probably much less like Sally's "generic overseer" you can certainly pay less but undoubtedly have bigger problems. You say it is a hell of a salary for a Thai, first time you mentioned Thai. What do you know about salaries to make such a comment? There are a lot of Thais making 50-100 thousand per month. Has to be since they are making payments on a lot of expensive homes and vehicles, 25-30,000 in fixed monthly payments plus some kids in private schools or university will quickly double that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazar Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, Dante99 said: There are a lot of Thais making 50-100 thousand per month. i bet those making less far far outweigh that minority though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi850m2 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Well the Thai doctors in my village are earning much more than that, looking at the cars they are driving and some of them owns 10+ houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Really? That's one hell of a salary for a ThaiTwo of my managers (Thai) were earning in excess of Thb120k over month, 13th month contractually guaranteed plus bonus depending on company’s results. Travel industry. Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gweiloman Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 i bet those making less far far outweigh that minority thoughWell, you can’t have more managers than workers, right?Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer90210 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 The manager could definately make some good bucks if he can provide booze and female "guides" 24/7 to his clients or takes a good commission on every lady "friend" a hotel customer bring back for "friendship" in the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassosa Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Gweiloman said: Two of my managers (Thai) were earning in excess of Thb120k over month, 13th month contractually guaranteed plus bonus depending on company’s results. Travel industry. Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app What I meant to say that it's a hell of salary for a manager who overseas no more than 4 staff members in a 16-room boutique hotel without F&B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy72 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Depends if your hiring a Thai or foreigner. It has the finances to hire a foreigner Here is a small example a fairly new hotel in CM probably meant to be 3 start rated but their booking.com is 7.2 Now we see an upsurge in hotel improvement in CM but can they keep up the requisite standard even if its Chinese owned they still have the same mentality of washing the mop on ground floor and doing the entire property Nothing over eye line is cleaned if we don't touch it mai pen rai light switches yuk Thai standards and western at 3 star level different, just my opinion not bashing of course opens another argument are we to fussy in the west its the thing with the mop its a mop and bucket where the hell is the bucket mai pen rai ok so this explosion of better accommodation may be a short lived venture it always baffles me why someone would let their investment run into the ground no matter what star rating it is. I recall an article a few years ago 'The West has nothing to teach Thailand in hospitality' Maybe they are right only time will tell and yes it is an over saturated market principally aimed at Chinese visitors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 What I meant to say that it's a hell of salary for a manager who overseas no more than 4 staff members in a 16-room boutique hotel without F&B.Now down from 20 rooms to 16. No F&B? No breakfast? 3 star???4 staff can not be real. One 24/7 is 3 total already.I stay in a place with 17 rooms, serves breakfast, about 3 star and they have 20+ staff.Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colabamumbai Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 30,000 Baht and a room. I was a resort manager in korat 10 year's ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yardrunner Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 19 hours ago, cmsally said: The market of 3 star boutique in a price range of approx 1500 Bt is pretty saturated. I would say they are not going to be able to afford a "manager" as such. More a generic overseer to check stuff gets done. which is one way of describing a manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct99q Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 I was a GM for a 3 star property in the N.E. of Thailand. In total 5 years, 2009 to 2015. 15,000bht per month plus room and board. 36 room boutique guest house with about 20 or so staff. Flat out busy during peak season. Off season absolutely blissful! Worked 6 days a week 2x12 hour shifts & 4x10 hour shifts....tuesdays off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassosa Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 25 minutes ago, rct99q said: I was a GM for a 3 star property in the N.E. of Thailand. In total 5 years, 2009 to 2015. 15,000bht per month plus room and board. 36 room boutique guest house with about 20 or so staff. Flat out busy during peak season. Off season absolutely blissful! Worked 6 days a week 2x12 hour shifts & 4x10 hour shifts....tuesdays off. Thanks. Good to hear some real numbers. We were thinking of offering 17k-20k base salary plus bonuses based on occupancy numbers and holiday pay of one month. We're also offering a 28m2 studio in Nimman for the manager to live in, perhaps in the hopes of luring a young but experienced manager from Bangkok. I'm stunned about the staff numbers, 20 staff for 36 rooms, wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmsally Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Hats off to anyone brave enough to enter the hotel business at this stage of the game !! Definitely not easy and probably going to get harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1066 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 80k isn't a lot 'for a Thai' if the Thai person in question is educated and experienced but it is way over the market rate for the manager of a small hotel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 25000 baht per month. trainee manager at Large 5 star hotel is on 30000-35000. GM at 4-5 star , foreigner 100000-150000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 40 minutes ago, Bassosa said: Thanks. Good to hear some real numbers. We were thinking of offering 17k-20k base salary plus bonuses based on occupancy numbers and holiday pay of one month. We're also offering a 28m2 studio in Nimman for the manager to live in, perhaps in the hopes of luring a young but experienced manager from Bangkok. I'm stunned about the staff numbers, 20 staff for 36 rooms, wow! You would get more applications if you offered 25000 withOUT room and standard holiday instead of a full month . also yearly bonus instead of occupancy based one. i am In hotel business for over a decade in Thailand, so have some ideas and experience would never give any staff board. Most if not all from past experience assume they can do anything and use all facilities for feee. Including their laundry down to toilet paper or having housekeeping to clean their room as well. If you want to let them go, getting them to vacate is another headache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajvat37 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 15k a month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKr Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 On 10/15/2019 at 11:42 AM, Bassosa said: Brand new 3* boutique hotel in prime location - room rates between 1500-2000 per night. How many rooms, F&B, facilities ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKr Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Bassosa said: I'm stunned about the staff numbers, 20 staff for 36 rooms, wow! 20/36 is, I presume, the number that was signed in as "present". How many are doing something productive for the business and for how many hours each day could possibly be another number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassosa Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 hours ago, BestB said: You would get more applications if you offered 25000 withOUT room and standard holiday instead of a full month . also yearly bonus instead of occupancy based one. i am In hotel business for over a decade in Thailand, so have some ideas and experience. would never give any staff board. Most if not all from past experience assume they can do anything and use all facilities for feee. Including their laundry down to toilet paper or having housekeeping to clean their room as well. If you want to let them go, getting them to vacate is another headache Thanks for your comments. Will give it some thought. You mention that a yearly bonus is better than a performance-based one? Why is that? I always thought that it would be better to offer some skin in the game, so a busy hotel actually is lucrative for the employees? We're actually considering a longevity bonus of sorts as wel... The condo is in Nimman, but the hotel is in the old town, so the employee doesn't live onsite. I understand that this doesn't necessarily stop them from taking toiletries and toilet paper. We're still figuring out how to control that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy cow cm Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Depends on the hotel and the quality of the manager. Anywhere from 20k - 100k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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