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8 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

It was not only the US that allowed a person to do statement attesting to their income.

Australia did not ask for anything. The UK embassy only accepted mailed in and emailed application with only copies of the documents with no verification they were true and correct.

Then it seems that only the embassies that did not verify stopped but those who did are still doing it. Seems that the embassies should just start checking documents to help their citizen. I really understand the Thais not liking it that there were no checks from those 3 embassies. 

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A off topic inflammatory post meant to deflect the topic has been removed.

 

Edit: And now another  comment on moderation has been removed.

Edit: From the forum rules that fit for the post done.

"9) You will not post inflammatory messages on the forum, or attempt to disrupt discussions to upset its participants, or trolling. Trolling can be defined as the act of purposefully antagonizing other people on the internet by posting controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion."

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"11) You will not post slurs, degrading or overly negative comments directed towards Thailand, specific locations, Thai institutions such as the judicial or law enforcement system, Thai culture, Thai people or any other group on the basis of race, nationality, religion, gender or sexual orientation."

 

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Some of the problem can be attributed to the increase in the value of the Thai Baht.  The required sums of money or income are arbitrary, and bear no relationship to whether a person is able to sustain a life here. If money is the only criterion used to assess a person’s worthiness then it is shortsighted, the wealthiest people are often crooks.  The simplest thing would have been to apply the new rules to new applicants, and to look more closely at existing cases in a more sympathetic way. 

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17 hours ago, Thaidream said:

Once you get sorted- please write a long letter to your Embassy explaing the difficulties you have faced as a result of the Embassy refusing to provide an Embassy Letter. Make sure to provide an Info copy to your Home Office.

 

The 3 defiant embassies need to be reminded over and over again the havoc they have caused their citizens, while the other 80 Embassies in Thailand have no problem issuing the letter and it is accepted by Thai Immigration.

 

My best to you

As other embassies verified the income before issuing a letter, while these didn't.

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As I understand it, they targeted those embassies that just took a person's word (under oath) for it, instead of verifying that they actually have the income that they claim. My embassy, for example, has always required supporting documents. They still issue the letters and Thai immigration seems satisfied with that, no changes whatsoever.
 
You're right about their insistence on actual verification having created a two-tier system, but I'd say it's ultimately because different embassies operate in different legal frameworks.

British Embassy always required supporting paperwork re pension income, including p60 annual tax certificate, plus monthly pension statements and annual State Pension letter before issuing Embassy letter! However, they still decided that was not enough and pulled the plug! Disgusting behaviour I call it! Despite this, I still managed to get my 12 months extension, without any problems, as I have always paid my pensions into Thai bank account for the last 7 years. No need to pay the ridiculously high Embassy fee either, so I guess I am the winner :-)


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19 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yes. As if they care. Thrown under the bus we were.

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And following the US embassy's decision, their response to questions and complaints about the impact of that decision demonstrated how clueless they were about the consequences of their decision as well as their sometimes arrogant indifference.

 

At least one response suggested that the issue could be easily resolved by quickly dumping baht 800,000 into your Thai bank account. Let them eat cake, indeed.

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Yes and the U.S. case we know for a fact their excuses that they aren't allowed to do based on international State Department rules are totally wrong. The U.S. embassies in both Colombia and Peru (and likely other places as well) DO verify government pension benefit letters for purposes of immigration offices of those respective countries. Maybe they really couldn't go further than that, but certainly they could have issued letters based on social security benefits.

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18 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

Idiotic comment. The three rogue embassies were directly responsible for increasing the income requirement for their own nationals when they yielded to immigration's insistence that 100% of it has to be brought into Thailand, incurring both transfer expenses, and a lack of option to keep some of that income in their home country where it may also be needed.

Let me rephrase that.

 

Rogue Thai officials have selected three countries where they thought their nationals can be milked for money. Then they summoned their embassies representatives, telling them to do something that no other embassy does, verify their income.

 

The representatives obviously said they cannot do what was requested, so in typical Thai fashion, Immigration made it look as if it's the Embassies fault.

 

Do they require all the other 150 embassies (or whatever the number is), to verify income? No.

 

So why state "rogue Embassies", when it's in fact "rogue Immigration"?

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1 hour ago, graemeaylward said:

I still managed to get my 12 months extension, without any problems, as I have always paid my pensions into Thai bank account for the last 7 years. No need to pay the ridiculously high Embassy fee either, so I guess I am the winner 🙂

Until Thailand decides to make you pay income tax on your pension.

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11 minutes ago, lkv said:

Let me rephrase that.

 

Rogue Thai officials have selected three countries where they thought their nationals can be milked for money. Then they summoned their embassies representatives, telling them to do something that no other embassy does, verify their income.

 

The representatives obviously said they cannot do what was requested, so in typical Thai fashion, Immigration made it look as if it's the Embassies fault.

 

Do they require all the other 150 embassies (or whatever the number is), to verify income? No.

 

So why state "rogue Embassies", when it's in fact "rogue Immigration"?

That is not true.. other embassies like the Dutch one DO check and verify income. So your posting untruths. 

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1 minute ago, robblok said:

That is not true.. other embassies like the Dutch one DO check and verify income. So your posting untruths. 

If you say so.

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3 minutes ago, lkv said:

If you say so.

I don't say so its a fact, and other people who use other embassies have reported too that their income is checked. So it was those embassies that were wrong not the Thais. Sorry to rain on your Thaibashing parade. 

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11 minutes ago, robblok said:

Sorry to rain on your Thaibashing parade. 

Yep Thai Land is that place with no corruption, proper law application, no scammy insurances. They would never try to scam the foreigner or milk the foreigner, because they do care about the foreigner. They care about their well being and security via TM30, they care about their health more recently. The foreigner is NOT just a walking ATM, as some Thai bashers might want to suggest wrongly on forums.

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