webfact Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Russia says 'unacceptable' Turkish incursion into Syria must be temporary By Olesya Astakhova and Andrew Osborn A Turkish soldier stands on top of an armoured personnel carrier (APC) near the Turkish-Syrian border in Sanliurfa province, Turkey, October 15, 2019. REUTERS/Murad Sezer ABU DHABI/MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia called Turkey's military incursion into northeast Syria "unacceptable" and said on Tuesday the operation had to be limited in time and scale, a rare broadside that suggests Moscow's patience with Ankara is wearing thin. In Russia's strongest criticism since Turkey launched its military operation last week, President Vladimir Putin's envoy for Syria indicated Moscow wanted Ankara to wrap up its offensive soon. "We didn't agree with the Turks any questions about their presence in Syria and we don't approve of their actions," envoy Alexander Lavrentiev told reporters in Abu Dhabi during an official visit there by Putin. He said Turkish troops had the right under an agreement struck between Damascus and Ankara in 1998, the Adana pact, to temporarily push up to a maximum of 10 km (6 miles) into Syria to conduct counter-terrorism operations. "But it doesn't give them (Turkish troops) the right to remain on Syrian territory permanently and we are opposed to Turkish troops staying on Syrian territory permanently," he said. Lavrentiev made his comments as Turkey pressed ahead with its offensive in northern Syria despite U.S. sanctions and growing calls for it to stop, while Syria's Russia-backed army moved on the key city of Manbij that was abandoned by U.S. forces. The Kremlin said late on Tuesday that Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan had phoned Putin. The Russian leader had used the call to complain about the humanitarian situation on the Turkish-Syrian border and had stressed the need to avoid a clash between Turkish and Syrian forces, it said. Putin had told Erdogan that the situation whereby Islamic State prisoners being held in custody by Syrian Kurds were exploiting the chaos by trying to escape was unacceptable, the Kremlin said. Putin had also invited Erdogan to visit Russia in the coming days for urgent talks, a proposal Ankara had accepted, it added. Lavrentiev, Putin's Syria envoy, earlier on Tuesday told Russian news agencies that Moscow had always considered any kind of Turkish military operation on Syrian territory unacceptable. His comments, which suggest growing tensions between Turkey and Russia, came a day after the Kremlin complained that Turkey's incursion was "not exactly" compatible with Syrian territorial integrity. "The security of the Turkish-Syrian border must be ensured by the deployment of Syrian government troops along its entire length," said Lavrentiev. "That's why we never spoke in favour or supported the idea of Turkish units (being deployed there) let alone the armed Syrian opposition." Lavrentiev said Turkey's actions risked upsetting delicate religious sensitivities in northern Syria. In particular, he said the area was populated by Kurds, Arabs and Sunnis who would not take kindly to their lands being resettled by people who had never lived there, a reference to Turkey's plan to house refugees from other parts of Syria there. Lavrentiev confirmed that Russia had brokered an agreement between the Syrian government and Kurdish forces that saw the Kurds cede control of territory to Syrian troops. Those talks had taken place at Russia's Hmeimim air base in Syria among other places, he said. Russia's influence in Syria and the Middle East is widely seen to have been boosted in the last week thanks to Washington scaling back its Syria operation and the Syrian Kurds striking a deal with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, Moscow's closest ally in the region. Lavrentiev said Moscow was hoping that the United States would withdraw all of its forces from Syria. Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu spoke to his U.S. counterpart about Syria on Tuesday evening. Russian military police are patrolling the line of contact between Syrian and Turkish government troops. Lavrentiev estimated there were around 12,000 Islamic State prisoners being held in northeast Syria. (Additional reporting by Maria Tsvetkova, Maxim Rodionov and Tom Balmforth; Writing by Andrew Osborn; Editing by Alistair Bell and Lisa Shumaker) -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-10-16 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somtamnication Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 And so it begins............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Hey hands off Donald gave it to putin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 hours ago, webfact said: 12,000 Islamic State prisoners being held in northeast Syria. what were they going to do with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 There are few things more dangerous than a βeta pretending to be an αlpha. Except of course when it’s a βeta male pretending to be an αlpha male and he’s also the President of the most powerful nation on earth. Talk big, make threats, back down and hand gifts to Putin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEKEM Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 before you can resolve issues, you must FIRST understand what the issue is. the koran says that muslims must always side with other muslims where non-muslims are concerned. non-muslims are so despicable, they are not even worthy of being told the truth. on the other hand, the koran also says that it is acceptable to commit genocide against it's own people if it resulted in the greater goals of the caliphate. namely survival. in the western world, deception and lying are considered bad traits. in islam, they are virtues. taqiyya https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEKEM Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, wombat said: what were they going to do with them? new recruits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitman Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 5 hours ago, DEKEM said: the koran says that muslims must always side with other muslims where non-muslims are concerned. non-muslims are so despicable, they are not even worthy of being told the truth. Then why don't the refugee's not go to Qatar where all citizens get 100.000 us$ a year from the government? Ones that work get a salary plus house on top of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: There are few things more dangerous than a βeta pretending to be an αlpha. Except of course when it’s a βeta male pretending to be an αlpha male and he’s also the President of the most powerful nation on earth. Talk big, make threats, back down and hand gifts to Putin. Yeah, we know you and Tug hate Trump. This is a post about Turkey invading Syria to exterminate Kurds. And Putin's reaction. We know Trump dumped the Kurds, no need to repeat it like a parrot on every thread. Any intelligent comment to make on the OP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, fruitman said: Then why don't the refugee's not go to Qatar where all citizens get 100.000 us$ a year from the government? Ones that work get a salary plus house on top of that. Because rich Arab Muslim countries don't grant citizenship to Muslim refugees from other countries. They may let some in, let them work and live there, raise families there - but do not grant them or their families citizenship. They look after their own citizens, first, second and last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: There are few things more dangerous than a βeta pretending to be an αlpha. Except of course when it’s a βeta male pretending to be an αlpha male and he’s also the President of the most powerful nation on earth. Talk big, make threats, back down and hand gifts to Putin. To Putin and Xi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedrogaz Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 "Unacceptable" has become one of the new buzzwords for diplomats. Nowadays everything that the West doesn't like it deems to be "unacceptable". It is now being used by the West's chief enemy, Mr Putin. The jealousy of Mr Putin runs very deep in the West....indeed he is "unacceptable" because ehe does "unacceptable" things, like "liberating" Crimea" (or "invading" Crimea if you are writing for the West) and "helping Syria avoid the Western backed regime change" (or "interfering: in Syria if you are from the West). Putin has outsmarted the West almost at every turn....and the latest Syrian gambit looks like a repeat of the same long running show. Outsmarting the leaders of the West, weak, spineless and pusillanimous as they are, is of course "unacceptable" from a Western point of view, even if, or especially, if it brings peace to the region. "Unacceptable" apparently is a diplomatic code word for doing nothing when it comes from the West. I suspect that used by Putin, it might actually be translated into actions. One wonders how long the West can carry on with such useless leadership....and if I sound like a Putin fan, I unashamedly am, but sadly I don't get paid for it. Don't get me wrong, I see Putin has some less than desirable qualities, like ruthlessness (eg the speed at which he "invaded" Crimea to protect his naval base there). No Western leader could ever have made such a move without endless debates in the press about whether it would be a good idea, by which time the opportunity for action would've passed. But despite being corrupt like the rest of the world leadership, he is effective, unlike the shower from the Brussels or the dotard in the White House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer90210 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Wonder how Europe and Russia will react when Turkey finally stops it's invasion, but retaliates by letting through all the thousands of migrants, refugees etc to storm into the neighbouring nations ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEKEM Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, observer90210 said: Wonder how Europe and Russia will react when Turkey finally "abdicates" their invasion, but retaliates by letting through all the thousands of migrants, refugees etc to storm into the neighbouring nations ? war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bristolboy Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 8 hours ago, Pedrogaz said: "Unacceptable" has become one of the new buzzwords for diplomats. Nowadays everything that the West doesn't like it deems to be "unacceptable". It is now being used by the West's chief enemy, Mr Putin. The jealousy of Mr Putin runs very deep in the West....indeed he is "unacceptable" because ehe does "unacceptable" things, like "liberating" Crimea" (or "invading" Crimea if you are writing for the West) and "helping Syria avoid the Western backed regime change" (or "interfering: in Syria if you are from the West). Putin has outsmarted the West almost at every turn....and the latest Syrian gambit looks like a repeat of the same long running show. Outsmarting the leaders of the West, weak, spineless and pusillanimous as they are, is of course "unacceptable" from a Western point of view, even if, or especially, if it brings peace to the region. "Unacceptable" apparently is a diplomatic code word for doing nothing when it comes from the West. I suspect that used by Putin, it might actually be translated into actions. One wonders how long the West can carry on with such useless leadership....and if I sound like a Putin fan, I unashamedly am, but sadly I don't get paid for it. Don't get me wrong, I see Putin has some less than desirable qualities, like ruthlessness (eg the speed at which he "invaded" Crimea to protect his naval base there). No Western leader could ever have made such a move without endless debates in the press about whether it would be a good idea, by which time the opportunity for action would've passed. But despite being corrupt like the rest of the world leadership, he is effective, unlike the shower from the Brussels or the dotard in the White House. Not so effective at delivering economic reform though, is he? But then why would we expect that of a supercharged kleptocrat like him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinsAlmeida Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Russia (Putin) tells a lie as usual. Who can trust this country with a tyrant as a leader?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 hours ago, DEKEM said: war war + civil war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 " “Syria may have some help with Russia, and that's fine. It's a lot of sand. They've got a lot of sand over there, so there's a lot of sand that they can play with,” he said, later adding: “I wish them all a lot of luck.” Trump on Wednesday appeared unconcerned by the prospect of Moscow exerting new geopolitical influence amid the escalating military confrontation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdong Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 19 hours ago, Baerboxer said: Because rich Arab Muslim countries don't grant citizenship to Muslim refugees from other countries. They may let some in, let them work and live there, raise families there - but do not grant them or their families citizenship. They look after their own citizens, first, second and last. So that's why they all want to come to the U.K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdong Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 10 hours ago, observer90210 said: Wonder how Europe and Russia will react when Turkey finally stops it's invasion, but retaliates by letting through all the thousands of migrants, refugees etc to storm into the neighbouring nations ? the main reason why the British PEOPLE voted to leave,let them seek sanctuary in the first safe country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkspeaker Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 On 10/16/2019 at 11:09 AM, fruitman said: Then why don't the refugee's not go to Qatar where all citizens get 100.000 us$ a year from the government? Ones that work get a salary plus house on top of that. Beacuse they are not citizens of qatar so they won't get that.. but if the go to sweeden or germany-they get free housing and spending money.. so they go there instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 On 10/15/2019 at 6:08 PM, webfact said: Russia says 'unacceptable' Turkish incursion into Syria must be temporary Will the death of all they killed there, be temporary also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 I'm not predicting anything mind you but does this situation feel like it's the kind of thing that could fairly easily morph onto WW3?Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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