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1 hour ago, Sujo said:

Campaign finance is seperate to asking a foreign govt to investigate a rival.

 

Even a 5 year old could understand this.

 

You do understand that it is a political trial, not a criminal trial. High crimes etc are whatever congress decides it is.

Yeah the level of ignorance about what impeachment is about is not exactly surprising, but isn't exactly encouraging either. 

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1 hour ago, Thomas J said:

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This says everything you need to know.  What prosecutor would even investigate when the subject of the fictional coercion even states that there was no quid pro quo, no blackmail, and he felt no pressure.  


https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-10-10/ukraine-zelensky-trump-impeachment

I think Fiona Hill, one of Trumps ex-staff who until July directed Russian and European affairs for the National Security Council may may have something else to say about that.

https://www.vox.com/2019/10/15/20915579/trump-impeachment-ukraine-fiona-hill-whistleblower

 

The noose is going to continue to tighten as we see more and more of Trumps ex and present staff throw him under the bus before he throws them. Giuliani will be next. It's just a matter of time.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Thomas J said:

Sujo,

 

It is you who needs to learn how to read.  If it was a crime, then the Justice Department would investigate it.  If it is not "a crime" then then there is no "high crimes or misdemeanor" required to impeach. 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/justice-dept-found-trump-didnt-commit-a-campaign-finance-crime-raised-by-whistleblower

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The Constitution invests the power of Impeachment in Congress.

 

Absolutely nothing at all to do with the DoJ and by no means necessarily anything to do with breaking laws.

 

Given Billy Barr’s in plain sight corruption in office, your claims regarding what the DoJ might or might not do and what might be inferred from that are resting on crumbling foundations.

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1 hour ago, Thomas J said:

Sfokevin,

 

Now that is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.  If Congress had the right to decide what Trump's crime was they would say it was  being born.  If you recall it was the FBI not Congress that gave Hillary a pass on her destruction of evidence even though the emails and devices were part of a congressional Subpoena.  The Justice Department not Congress is the one to make the determination if there is probably evidence that a crime has been committed and if it is determined that there was to initiated prosecution.  Congress can only "impeach"  They are accusing Trump of an "abuse" of power even though the Democrats in Congress were far far far more explicit in their extortion of Ukraine to investigate Trump. This is a totally fabricated charge designed only to keep it in the News Media. 

The DoJ have no standing in Impeachment , other than if called to give testimony/present evidence.

 

Impeachment is the sole responsibility of Congress.

 

 

Back to Civics class you go.

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1 hour ago, Thomas J said:

Sujo,

 

It is you who needs to learn how to read.  If it was a crime, then the Justice Department would investigate it.  If it is not "a crime" then then there is no "high crimes or misdemeanor" required to impeach. 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/justice-dept-found-trump-didnt-commit-a-campaign-finance-crime-raised-by-whistleblower

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From your own post -

'But, interestingly, and in some ways more importantly, the Justice Department says, but there may be a criminal violation here, so we need to look at that, so we're — we, the Justice Department, are going to take a look at what happened here and see if there's reason to pursue a criminal investigation'.

 

It also clearly explains that this would not normally go to the Justice Department.

 

Trump fans don't do legal. Bigly.

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1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Constitution invests the power of Impeachment in Congress.

 

Absolutely nothing at all to do with the DoJ and by no means necessarily anything to do with breaking laws.

 

Given Billy Barr’s in plain sight corruption in office, your claims regarding what the DoJ might or might not do and what might be inferred from that are resting on crumbling foundations.

Bill Barr isn't corrupt that's a another lame talking point to deligitmize the chief law enforcement officer of the USA .It's perpetrated by the dems.  your facts are based on dem talking points

https://theweek.com/articles/869062/democrats-arent-helping-themselves-by-attacking-bill-barr

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6 hours ago, atyclb said:

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/cq/2007/07/12/cq_3065.html?mcubz=0

"The International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) released a video Wednesday evening portraying what the union characterizes as leadership “failures” allegedly committed by Giuliani before, during and after the attack that claimed the lives of 343 firefighters."

 

 

 

Thank you for this.

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52 minutes ago, riclag said:

Bill Barr isn't corrupt that's a another lame talking point to deligitmize the chief law enforcement officer of the USA .It's perpetrated by the dems.  your facts are based on dem talking points

https://theweek.com/articles/869062/democrats-arent-helping-themselves-by-attacking-bill-barr

Bill Barr isnt corrupt?

 

You have just lost any credibility you had left.

 

Anyone still working near trump is corrupt simply for turning a blind eye.

 

Thats not opinion

 

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6 hours ago, atyclb said:

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/cq/2007/07/12/cq_3065.html?mcubz=0

"The International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) released a video Wednesday evening portraying what the union characterizes as leadership “failures” allegedly committed by Giuliani before, during and after the attack that claimed the lives of 343 firefighters."

 

 

 

Thank you for this.

 

are you a firefighter or know someone that perished from 911 ?

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8 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

are you a firefighter or know someone that perished from 911 ?

No on both accounts but have several friends who are/were firefighters, police officers and medical emergency personnel.

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2 hours ago, riclag said:

Bill Barr isn't corrupt that's a another lame talking point <snip>

C'mon, are you taking the p*ss? He was shown as corrupt in Iran/Contra and he's up to his old tricks again. Coming up with a "summarization" of the Mueller report that contradicted the actual report, putting Chelsea Manning in jail for ignoring a subpoena but letting Rudy to do the same thing? Pleeeeeeze!

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13 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Americans remember the incredible strength Mr Giuliani showed after 9/11 and his heroic efforts to calm and unite the nation after the appalling terrorism spectacular. Sick to see them treating him like this. I think this hounding and bullying nonsense will backfire. You can only cry wolf once, by the 15th time nobody(other than apparently Jeff Zucker) is paying any attention.

Yes we do. And we also do not recognize the shrill, incompetent, foolish, reckless, feckless, ignorant, partisan fool he has become. He is a pale shadow of his.former self and like his master, he has rightly earned all the ridicule and scrutiny of late. No doubt Trump will throw him under the bus like he does anyone who is either no longer useful to him, or a liability. He has become a massive problem for Don Donald. Trump knows nothing of loyalty, and deciding to work for the man ends up being the worst decision of each man and woman's career. 

 

Sorry, little sympathy for this corrupt and failing man. 

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1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Right now, seems like the sole priority of congress. 🤣

As it should be since it's painfully obvious the president of the US is a criminal with mysteriously cozy/subservient relationships with foreign despots.

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