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35 minutes ago, Longcut said:

. Meghan Markle is a good example. She refuses to bend a knee to others  and they are not happy about it. But, she doesn't care. She's American first.

Yer yer... sure she refuses to bend the knee... but a lot do agree she’s American first. Rude, obstinate and selfish they say

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/meghan-markle-has-broken-royal-protocol-so-many-times-we-lost-count.html/

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5 hours ago, Longcut said:

The American people would treat it as they always do. Unlike the rest or the world that worries what others think of them. Americans could care less what the Chinese think. Kind of like they don't care what the Europeans think. It's the American way. 

Really? Have you been to America, have you talked to American's? What about the majority of European countries and other countries who continue their dealings with China despite the large lack of human rights and civil liberties to anyone who isn't CCP first? The statement made is a sweeping generalization that does not resemble current foreign affairs and exhibits ignorance. Every country I've lived in is always about - people have friends, but nations have interests. I think it is to be applauded if most people in the world know what is going on outside their border and if they care about human rights or climate change outside their border, but this rarely happens. A poll was done just last year, stating that only 40% of Europeans have ever left their home. If this is true, most people would not know much about the world around them. It is easy to know about a neighboring country if that country is as far away from you as one US state to another. It is amazing that Americans on the east coast know what is going on in the west coast and vice-versa when the size, from coast to coast is bigger than Europe. I hope that you sir do not keep yourself too isolated from the world, but realize that this same idea goes on everywhere in the world. and most importantly, realize that those people who might know what is going on outside their borders are doing virtually nothing to affect positive change for people in other countries whose human rights are being abused daily. For example, how many people do you know, no matter their country of origin, know what is going on to the Uighur's in China, but continue to buy/support Chinese companies or don't even consider protesting their government to affect real change in the world against countries engaging in daily human rights abuses? If you're country cares that much about what others think of it, why is your country not leading a charge in a positive way, that is being applauded daily on the news? It is easy to criticize, it is another thing to see and acknowledge any good done in the world.

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18 minutes ago, curlylekan said:

Really? Have you been to America, have you talked to American's? What about the majority of European countries and other countries who continue their dealings with China despite the large lack of human rights and civil liberties to anyone who isn't CCP first? The statement made is a sweeping generalization that does not resemble current foreign affairs and exhibits ignorance. Every country I've lived in is always about - people have friends, but nations have interests. I think it is to be applauded if most people in the world know what is going on outside their border and if they care about human rights or climate change outside their border, but this rarely happens. A poll was done just last year, stating that only 40% of Europeans have ever left their home. If this is true, most people would not know much about the world around them. It is easy to know about a neighboring country if that country is as far away from you as one US state to another. It is amazing that Americans on the east coast know what is going on in the west coast and vice-versa when the size, from coast to coast is bigger than Europe. I hope that you sir do not keep yourself too isolated from the world, but realize that this same idea goes on everywhere in the world. and most importantly, realize that those people who might know what is going on outside their borders are doing virtually nothing to affect positive change for people in other countries whose human rights are being abused daily. For example, how many people do you know, no matter their country of origin, know what is going on to the Uighur's in China, but continue to buy/support Chinese companies or don't even consider protesting their government to affect real change in the world against countries engaging in daily human rights abuses? If you're country cares that much about what others think of it, why is your country not leading a charge in a positive way, that is being applauded daily on the news? It is easy to criticize, it is another thing to see and acknowledge any good done in the world.

Actually, there are very few countries I have not been to. 

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18 minutes ago, Longcut said:

Actually, there are very few countries I have not been to. 

So why do you say what you do? 

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3 hours ago, stevenl said:

Strange conclusion.

Well, the US is ranked #17 and Hong Kong is ranked #3 in the 2018 Human Freedom Index by the Cato Institute. And yet the US rushed to enact a Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act instead of a Saudi Arabia Human Rights and Democracy Act. Saudi Arabia is ranked #146 in that list, mind you.

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3 hours ago, Thaidream said:

The day China invades Hong Kong and crushes the protesters is the day the majority of the World will place sanctions against China that will all but destroy their  economy and place the Communist Party at risk of losing power.   

 

 

The Europeans imposed an arms embargo on China back in 1989 and maintained it until today but the sanctions backfired. China is now capable of producing all the weapons that it needs. 

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1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Which is totally unrelated to your claim that the US was behind the protests.

It is related. Or else why the protest leaders went to the US to ask for funds and also met with US diplomats and US politicians before and during the protests? This law finally confirms it. 

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2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Any sources for that?

And even if true, it doesn't confirm at all the US is behind the protests.

Look at the bill itself. Why would the US wants to bar Hong Kong from implementing Article 23 of the Hong Kong's Basic Law but hypocritically wants China to implement Article 45 by 2020?

 

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Article 23
The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region shall enact laws on its own to prohibit any act of treason, secession, sedition, subversion against the Central People's Government, or theft of state secrets, to prohibit foreign political organisations or bodies from conducting political activities in the Region, and to prohibit political organisations or bodies of the Region from establishing ties with foreign political organisations or bodies

That's because the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), which is a well-known CIA front to channel money to overthrow governments all over the world, have provided funds to Hong Kong politicians that are anti-China.

 

U.S. Fingerprints All Over Hong Kong Violence

 

Hong Kong activist goes on defensive after being photographed with US consulate official

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Born in the USA.
"Send me off to a foreign land, to go and kill the yellow man".

People don't realise it, Bruce hasn't actually got anything against yellow people.

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4 hours ago, Longcut said:

Actually, there are very few countries I have not been to. 

You can’t have spent long inmost of them

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I was speaking to one of the Hongkies at work, and his view was that it was mostly about disillusionment and disenfranchisement.

 

As I recall, either the Basic Law or the agreement involved a gradualmove towards democracy. 

Young people feel that they are being priced out of their own country by hot money fromChina and elsewhere, and I think that the riots have been an effective tool against inflation, albeit a bitter medicine with worse side-effects than chemotherapy

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The world has something to do with it. If an injustice is being done. It is everyone's responsibility to act. You act as if the U.S. is the only country that disapproves of China's actions. 

Pretty close. Let’s face it the total hypocrisy of America and the obviously glaring connections between HK and anything China associated is... well basically ignorant. Come on folks, this uneducated view that the western (controlled) media is perpetrating of China is just straight out schoolyard white supremacy jealousy. We are better than this. Well most of us are I would hope. America has shown its colours over and over and over. It’s time to grow up and admit that we (the West) have generally made a <deleted>ful mess of the world. Lets stand aside, regroup and let someone else have a go. We are not gods. We are not the supreme beings. Sure the movies say we are, but isn’t that the whole problem? Our analogy of the world revolves around fantasy. Our history, even as manipulated as it is, still shows we are the masters of one direction, rape, pillage and plunder. Time for ALL of us to become adults and most of all HUMAN BEINGS.


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