Mister Fixit 2078 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Chazar said: I dont believe it is its only "highly dangerous" neat, when diluted with water its a lot less dangerous Why don't you try drinking some then? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Samuel Smith 1646 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mister Fixit said: Why don't you try drinking some then? followed by a petroleum "chaser"? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
farmerjo 3457 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Think i've had a fair say on this subject The thing is there so many bad things which we use daily that are not subject to this kind of harassment. Everyone who comments on here does something,somewhere to contribute to their grave. Being using a product from a mineral dug out of the ground or gas emissions to using electricity. Everybody has different priorities,for me i'd like to keep the chemicals,used in moderation and ban mobile phones.There a sickness on society far greater than paraquat will ever be. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Chazar 8650 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Mister Fixit said: Why don't you try drinking some then? how ridiculous you look Pure paraquat, when ingested, is highly toxic to mammals, including humans, potentially leading to acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS). Although there are no specific antidotes, fuller's earth or activated charcoal is an effective treatment if taken in time. There have been some successful cases of using cyclophosphamide to treat paraquat poisoning.[28] Oxygen should not be administered unless SpO2 levels are below 92%, as high concentrations of oxygen intensify the toxic effects.[29][30] Death may occur up to 30 days after ingestion. Diluted paraquat used for spraying is less toxic; thus, the greatest risk of accidental poisoning is during mixing and loading paraquat for use.[10] Edited October 16, 2019 by Chazar Link to post Share on other sites
Chazar 8650 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, Samuel Smith said: followed by a petroleum "chaser"? guess your middle name isnt "sensible" then? Link to post Share on other sites
Matzzon 13668 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Chazar said: do YOU have any idea how difficult it is to get ANYONE to actually work on the land?any idea at all? Nope, but that can not stand as a reason or excuse to keep using chemicals in farming that kills people. 2 hours ago, farmerjo said: So you could not come up with a figure then. Nope, but that can not stand as a reason or excuse to keep using chemicals in farming that kills people. Link to post Share on other sites
farmerjo 3457 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Matzzon said: Nope, but that can not stand as a reason or excuse to keep using chemicals in farming that kills people. Nope, but that can not stand as a reason or excuse to keep using chemicals in farming that kills people. It can stand as reason,you clearly no nothing about agriculture. When you can come back with a cost for affected farmers you may of learnt something. Edited October 16, 2019 by farmerjo cost 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Matzzon 13668 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, farmerjo said: It can stand as reason,you clearly no nothing about agriculture. When you can come back with a cost for affected farmers you may of learnt something. Tell me how it has been possible in many other places but not in Thailand. If there is a cost, then it has to be. Just because something gets a little bit higher price, is not a reason to endanger peoples health. After that you can talk economy as much as you wish. You can never be right if you chose money over health. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Dumbastheycome 5701 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Chazar said: do YOU have any idea how difficult it is to get ANYONE to actually work on the land?any idea at all? That is true to an increasing degree. Even owner croppers would prefer the convenience of chemical application. The majority are not at all interested in even using the free soil testing services available because they think they already "understand" their land. Herbicides, insecticides and cheap and nasty "fertilizers" applied copiously and often unnecessary. Productivity on Thai soil has decreased incrementally per rai in spite of. And probably in part because of. Link to post Share on other sites
Fred white 1179 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 7 hours ago, Vacuum said: It's been banned in the EU since 2007. How much cassava do they grow in the EU 1 Link to post Share on other sites
kickstart 2641 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 6 hours ago, farmerjo said: And how much cassava does the EU grow? In a nut shell non. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
farmerjo 3457 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 21 minutes ago, Matzzon said: Tell me how it has been possible in many other places but not in Thailand. Well it doesn't snow in Thailand,soils are different etc,etc Your missing the point with the cost,it could be the difference of being viable or not. How many people do you know that have had their health endangered from this terrible chemical. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Dumbastheycome 5701 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 38 minutes ago, Matzzon said: Nope, but that can not stand as a reason or excuse to keep using chemicals in farming that kills people. Nope, but that can not stand as a reason or excuse to keep using chemicals in farming that kills people. It is not the use in farming that kills. It is the misuse and abuse that has vilified Paraquat . If consumers were happy to bear the cost of food production by labour intensive means then all good! Yet despite that may increase rural agricultural employment and rural economic turnover it would be unlikely to be of financial benefit to the farmer employers. As it already is the middle man would simply keep taking the easy profit sitting behind a desk while the farmer would see more money simply passed through their hands. Farmers may indeed have become lazier in practice but that is likely to be because they have come to recognize the fact that if they work their butts off it gets them no more significant reward. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Matzzon 13668 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, farmerjo said: Well it doesn't snow in Thailand,soils are different etc,etc Your missing the point with the cost,it could be the difference of being viable or not. How many people do you know that have had their health endangered from this terrible chemical. Viable or not, can not be put in the same sentence as safety and health. Since when odes it matter how many persons I personally know that have been affected? Ask yourself why other countries already banned these chemicals many years ago? It was surely not because they had enough snow or other soils and definately not for the reason of etc. etc. It was purely because the danger they pose to human health and life. Link to post Share on other sites
farmerjo 3457 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 The ironic part is Thailand hasn't even had a chance to practise modern farming technics in certain areas. And they require chemicals which they look like banning before they even get there. Link to post Share on other sites
farmerjo 3457 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Matzzon said: Viable or not, can not be put in the same sentence as safety and health. Since when odes it matter how many persons I personally know that have been affected? Ask yourself why other countries already banned these chemicals many years ago? It was surely not because they had enough snow or other soils and definately not for the reason of etc. etc. It was purely because the danger they pose to human health and life. No it was because of ill informed people like yourself thinking your doing the world a favour. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Matzzon 13668 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said: It is not the use in farming that kills. Say that to the European Union. On the other hand, what do they know. You know better. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Matzzon 13668 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, farmerjo said: No it was because of ill informed people like yourself thinking your doing the world a favour. Yep, okey! We leave it with that. All people that want to ban it in Thailand are wrong and ill informed. All countries in the world that have already banned it, was and are ill informed. I am ill informed. You, on the other hand. Hell yeah, you are the only one that is right. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post farmerjo 3457 Posted October 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Matzzon said: Yep, okey! We leave it with that. All people that want to ban it in Thailand are wrong and ill informed. All countries in the world that have already banned it, was and are ill informed. I am ill informed. You, on the other hand. Hell yeah, you are the only one that is right. You did not bring one bit of substance here to the article in facts. My plants are growing and need oxygen to thrive and your taking that away from them. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
kickstart 2641 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 hours ago, robblok said: The problem is that if you allow some farmers to use it for this crop it will be used for other crops too in an unsafe way. Unless you think that this wont happen an government checks would be able to prevent this. The only way is to ban it otherwise it will get used for other crops too. That is just the way it is. Paraquat is used mainly as a weedkiller in cassava ,and as a pre-emergent weedkiller with attrazin in maize crops ,and that is about it ,if used on other crops it will more than likely kill the crop . FYI ,some years ago I worked for a landscape gardening company ,one job the firm did was marking out a football pitch ,paraquat was used to initially kill the grass off before painting on the white lines,never heard of any footballers getting cancer from sliding about football pitches ,and I would say it would have been used on rugby pitches in the past , even more sliding about ,and they say it can be carcinogenic. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Matzzon 13668 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, farmerjo said: You did not bring one bit of substance here to the article in facts. My plants are growing and need oxygen to thrive and your taking that away from them. Ever heard of organic farming? If the soil is to bad, so that it´s needed to use dangerous chemicals to produce. Yeah, then its time to plant something that can grow without that beeing added. You also do not know what this poison is doing to the air, earth and water. We must all help to preserve the planet and the people for future generations and create sustainability as well as sustainable living. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
farmerjo 3457 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Matzzon said: Ever heard of organic farming? If the soil is to bad, so that it´s needed to use dangerous chemicals to produce. Yeah, then its time to plant something that can grow without that beeing added. You also do not know what this poison is doing to the air, earth and water. We must all help to preserve the planet and the people for future generations and create sustainability as well as sustainable living. I'm a no-till farmer here. Organic but not in the way you know it. Link to post Share on other sites
Matzzon 13668 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, farmerjo said: I'm a no-till farmer here. Organic but not in the way you know it. What? You do know that it is a world standard for organic farming? You can not create you own thing and call it organic farming. This leads nowhere. I take it as you do not have a clue if it is affecting people, the natural food chain or air, water and earth? Probably you do not care about sustainability either, and only about your way of easy work that makes you the profit you need. Whatever, have a great farm week. Bye. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
farmerjo 3457 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Matzzon said: What? You do know that it is a world standard for organic farming? You can not create you own thing and call it organic farming. This leads nowhere. I take it as you do not have a clue if it is affecting people, the natural food chain or air, water and earth? Probably you do not care about sustainability either, and only about your way of easy work that makes you the profit you need. Whatever, have a great farm week. Bye. Organic is improving your soil,that's where you have organic matter break down to make your soil well organic. You must of been misled by the thousands who crumble there soil to a pulp till its worthless but don't use chemicals. and call their food organic. Live for the future hey. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post kickstart 2641 Posted October 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2019 29 minutes ago, Matzzon said: Viable or not, can not be put in the same sentence as safety and health. Since when odes it matter how many persons I personally know that have been affected? Ask yourself why other countries already banned these chemicals many years ago? It was surely not because they had enough snow or other soils and definately not for the reason of etc. etc. It was purely because the danger they pose to human health and life. It was banned it other country's becose they was alliterative ,round up .Glyphosate was used to desiccate crops ,mainly in Canola/Oil seed rape ,I use to work on a large arable farm no paraquat was used ,the reason was it was not needed , It is used on cassava because it they are no alternatives ,Ok in our country they might be but the cost of importing that chemical in to Thailand and the import tax ,would make it to expensive to use ,and remember Thailand dose not have CAP the EU subsidiaries and the USA farm subsidies that help all farmers . And before any one says about The Thai government subsiding rice farmers they do not use any paraquat ,or very littal 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites
fforest1 5612 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 With out Cassava I guess that means no biodegradable bags ..... Link to post Share on other sites
fforest1 5612 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, rhyddid said: Keep the BAN ongoing, don't retreat! I say Ban the Ban.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites
yuyiinthesky 1712 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 So you guys insist on selling me cassavas with Paraquat, then I have to insist on not buying your cassava at all. Link to post Share on other sites
Chazar 8650 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 10 hours ago, Matzzon said: Nope, but that can not stand as a reason or excuse to keep using chemicals in farming that kills people. Christ Im seeing the full wrath of a fruitcake..................so no staff = dont grow food ok, good plan. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Chazar 8650 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 9 hours ago, Matzzon said: Ask yourself why other countries already banned these chemicals many years ago? in paraquats case because it was being used for suicide, the main cause of deaths. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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