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8 minutes ago, Chazar said:

Christ Im seeing the  full wrath of a  fruitcake..................

I would appriciate if you do not feel the need to call me different degrading things, and keep to the discussion instead.
 

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so no staff = dont grow  food ok,  good  plan.

Yes, kind of like a factory producing that can not use environmental och health endangering product in their production.

The same factory can produce and serve 450 custormers with only family members and ownership. If they want to make more money and higher production they have to emplot staff.

A factory is a business, same like farming is a business, Just in Thailand that small and medium farming is not registered as one.

Never said don´t grow, but you have to start see it out of a business perspective.

 

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All three are highly toxic carcinogenic so get over it all of them need to be banned . These elder people don't understand what these chemicals can do the future generations .

"although they agree with the bans on the other two chemicals."    They agree to ban what they don't use anyway! 

Farming is complex and hard for a lot to understand. Please do not generalize. 

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11 minutes ago, Chazar said:

in paraquats  case because it was being used for suicide, the main cause of deaths.

In the west they added a vomiting agent and several other safeguard so hardly a good reason to ban it if it was that good. 

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14 minutes ago, Chazar said:

in paraquats  case because it was being used for suicide, the main cause of deaths.

Pretty sure that was not the reason. That due to there are other same effective substances still available. Like we should soon see a ban on sleeping pills and valium.

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Joel Salatin explain well the issue with farmer that believe petrochemical marketing push. Their obstination to resist change and thinking outside the box keep them poor. 

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18 hours ago, webfact said:

Vashira asked the deputy minister to stop claiming that the chemical is dangerous to people and citing incorrect information from Non-Government Organisations (NGOs).

And all the information gained from all the other countries around the globe who have investigated, tested, submitted detailed health reports and banned it on the evidence that it is dangerous are all wrong?

Thainess at it's finest!

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11 hours ago, farmerjo said:

No it was because of ill informed people like yourself thinking your doing the world a favour.

 

Stupid argument, the experts don't know it you know better. While you have a big benefit from it. I would say your as trustworth as the chemical companies who sell the stuff. 

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23 minutes ago, robblok said:

Stupid argument, the experts don't know it you know better. While you have a big benefit from it. I would say your as trustworth as the chemical companies who sell the stuff. 

The facts are it is used in nearly the double amount of countries than it's not.

The facts are there must be a lot of mental health issues in the countries that it has been banned.(mostly EU countries)

The facts are it is being phased out in countries as suitable replacements are found.

 

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2 hours ago, Tayaout said:

Joel Salatin explain well the issue with farmer that believe petrochemical marketing push. Their obstination to resist change and thinking outside the box keep them poor. 

Exactly. The low income society in Thailand is built on: "I´ve been doing like this all the time, and I have no clue how to change that"

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2 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Exactly. The low income society in Thailand is built on: "I´ve been doing like this all the time, and I have no clue how to change that"

He is referring mainly about the US farmers but the principle remains the same everywhere. 

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7 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

The low income society in Thailand

The EU banned these chemicals and cannot grow enough food for their demand.

Now they want 3rd world countries to supply clean,green food cheap so it's not to expensive for their consumers,at somchai's expense.

Somchai has turned around and said i can do that at long as you find me a way that doesn't hurt my very short pockets. 

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It's hard to take away things that we think benefit us once we realize there is something dangerous about them. That's why the environmentalists face so much anger from those who have grown accustom to environmentally unfriendly things that make their lives easier and better. It's a human reaction. Try taking smartphones away from kids. Even cigarettes and alcohol linger on despite killing millions. Most farmers in Thailand really have no future because they just have too little land for what they grow. Half of the present number farming will be gone in 30 years with their land sold to others who can easily handle more land with the tech that is available. You can't live on 10-20 rai of rice land these days. Although some have much more rai, there are plenty who hold onto that little bit of land getting by doing odd jobs. Their kids have all left for the cities, and those kids also help their farmer parents. For many, just being able to say they have a patch of rice land they get their own rice from has become more about pride than any profit. To make a living off so little land, a person really has to be creative and have a green thumb for growing things other than cassava and rice.

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I came on to enlighten the non farmers why chemicals used in there right way are a very good tool for farmers.

In the article they pass all the required criteria,regulations of using the non selective herbicide.

I know i haven't won any friends on this subject but i bet a lot more non farming people who have read through the subject actually know now why it was banned in countries and will be banned in more.

 

 

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14 hours ago, farmerjo said:

You did not bring one bit of substance here to the article in facts.

My plants are growing and need oxygen to thrive and your taking that away from them.

Your plants need CO2 and the govt and this person is contributing plenty lol 😂

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3 hours ago, farmerjo said:

The EU banned these chemicals and cannot grow enough food for their demand.

Now they want 3rd world countries to supply clean,green food cheap so it's not to expensive for their consumers,at somchai's expense.

Somchai has turned around and said i can do that at long as you find me a way that doesn't hurt my very short pockets. 

Just to wierd! Then I guess that Somchai need to grow a backbone and tell the rest of the world to farm it themselfs or pay the price he asks.

A business can not hurt the person who is running it, if he takes control of the outs and ins of it. After that we always have the crazy concept in Thailand that if neighbour Somchai is farming cassava, I need to do that to. That leads at the end to an uncontrollable over production. In that case there can be no control of outs and ins. There they need to learn to stabalize the market that sets the two parameters of supply and demand. In other words a lot of Somchai´s is going to have to re-evaluate their stance in the market a find a business that gives them the possibility to control the outs and ins.

Today they are running their operations without registered companies, no control over the spendings and allowing themselfs to get run over by the big truck called distributor and over production.

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